Fortunately so far it seems most of the changes are moderate to transmission/infection efficiency and slight to moderate to immune evasion without any significant change to severity of the disease - the ability for the disease to regularly do something like the lower respiratory infection seen with Delta but for other major organs is completely within its scope however - though from a basic understanding would appear to require quite complex changes in multiple parts of the genome to do that while maintaining a high level of infectiousness, etc. the kind of damage the disease does when people lose their sense of smell but for functionality in another organ could be devastating.
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Fortunately so far it seems most of the changes are moderate to transmission/infection efficiency and slight to moderate to immune evasion without any significant change to severity of the disease - the ability for the disease to regularly do something like the lower respiratory infection seen with Delta but for other major organs is completely within its scope however - though from a basic understanding would appear to require quite complex changes in multiple parts of the genome to do that while maintaining a high level of infectiousness, etc. the kind of damage the disease does when people lose their sense of smell but for functionality in another organ could be devastating.
there's that other lazy forum trope - accusing someone of being a troll..
maybe you should petition the mods to have this moved to SC
Oh are you banned? That's a shame. I think most people in here can have an adult discussion about covid, some not so much. Strange how your attitude changes suddenly when a mod turns up...there's that other lazy forum trope - accusing someone of being a troll..
maybe you should petition the mods to have this moved to SC
Anyway, enough stupid for one day.
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Must be nick's time of month again
Anyway blah blah non-sealed masks don't work very well against a highly contagious airborne respiratory infection but sealed FPP2/FPP3 masks work, this old **** being dredged up once again.
Anyway blah blah non-sealed masks don't work very well against a highly contagious airborne respiratory infection but sealed FPP2/FPP3 masks work, this old **** being dredged up once again.
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A cold had many different types, but just because some people are barely affected by it we still don't know how it affects some people or vulnerable people in the long term.
CFS seems to be a more obvious issue that seems to have arisen, but there's a lot of unknowns..
My social circle I mentioned are mainly boring health-freaks like myself, but even my agéd parents were barely affected by it.
Covid has had an impact even if it is "just like a cold", whether you look at it from a societal, psychological or even behavioural perspective and not from a physical health perspective, even those all have indirect impacts on health as well.
So whilst I'm relatively blasé about the actual illness I'm quite aware that the long term repercussions are going to be felt for a while unfortunately. A cold doesn't have such long term impacts.
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define "few" because to me that is 2 or 3 and I am calling BS on your claim (despite funnily enough and in the interests of honesty I did only feel rough for 2 days)
it hit my wife like a hammer for almost 2 weeks
2 or 3 days the same as your experience
Life expectancy is literally a model that predicts how long someone can expect to live based on the risk of death from all causes on their day of birth, it’s not an actual measurement of how long somebody has lived at the time of death.
It’s why you get daft results like someone born in 1940 suffered a huge drop in life expectancy due to WWII, but those born in say 1920 didn’t (who actually were doing the dying) - this is clearly not actually correct!
It assumes the risks of death are fixed for the rest of that persons life for all those causes, on the day they were born. This is why this sort of model falls apart with transient type events like wars and virus epidemics. In the case of an epidemic, surviving covid as a child significantly reduces the risk of death in subsequent years, which the life expectancy model doesn’t consider. It just looks at the risk of death at each age for that year and effectively sums them together.
That’s why the model says the average life expectancy for men has dropped 1.6years for someone born in 2020, but the average age of death for men only actually dropped ~2 months at the peak of the pandemic.
Edit: what should worry people is the life expectancy hasn’t bounced back despite the rollout of the vaccine apparently but that’s a conversation for another day
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so I consider myself lucky tbh. another thing and it's just a thought... nothing to back up. even those who think they have not had any lasting effects... I wonder if they are right. my job is sat on my backside most of the time looking at a computer monitor.
when I do get a cold it hits me hard and brings on my athsma which day to day is well managed and I am asymptomatic. even with a cold however I only notice my limitations when I try to push myself.
it could be that the reason many think it's over in a few days is *precisely* because they are not that fit.... where as runners and gym folk who push their limits far more day to day will be more qualified to see if they have any lasting effects rather than people such as myself.
not casting any aspersions or anything you could be Mr universe for all I know but it still would not discount it ... just thinking aloud as it were really.
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Don't worry we can issue bans from sections other than SCmaybe you should petition the mods to have this moved to SC
Play nice people
There are people who get long covid from the vaccine.
I think when the professionals finish running all the trials they are doing now, because millions of people have long covid aka post covid symptoms, we need an updated vaccine that can have a long period of testing.
I think when the professionals finish running all the trials they are doing now, because millions of people have long covid aka post covid symptoms, we need an updated vaccine that can have a long period of testing.
That's one hell of a post
People getting covid from an injection to prevent you getting it/lessening the symptoms/reducing worst case outcome...take your pick
And now working on a new vaccine? Presumably because the last one didn't work?
Can't tell if this anti vax or pro
Life expectancy is literally a model that predicts how long someone can expect to live based on the risk of death from all causes on their day of birth, it’s not an actual measurement of how long somebody has lived at the time of death.
It’s why you get daft results like someone born in 1940 suffered a huge drop in life expectancy due to WWII, but those born in say 1920 didn’t (who actually were doing the dying) - this is clearly not actually correct!
It assumes the risks of death are fixed for the rest of that persons life for all those causes, on the day they were born. This is why this sort of model falls apart with transient type events like wars and virus epidemics. In the case of an epidemic, surviving covid as a child significantly reduces the risk of death in subsequent years, which the life expectancy model doesn’t consider. It just looks at the risk of death at each age for that year and effectively sums them together.
That’s why the model says the average life expectancy for men has dropped 1.6years for someone born in 2020, but the average age of death for men only actually dropped ~2 months at the peak of the pandemic.
Edit: what should worry people is the life expectancy hasn’t bounced back despite the rollout of the vaccine apparently but that’s a conversation for another day
Though I agree that with a disease where severe outcomes are bias towards those older or more vulnerable using the indiscriminate average for an age/age range is somewhat inaccurate ultimately I don't think this disease is mostly killing those who were about to die anyway - the very old group in a worst case still have ~2 years life expectancy and make up around 25% of deaths, while on the other hand only around 9-10% of cases are people in a previously healthy state where COVID was the only cause of death so no modification from the average. One of the most common co-morbidities which crops up with COVID is diabetes which generally is a managed chronic condition with an indeterminable impact on their life expectancy (indiscriminate average is about 20% decrease), many of the other common co-morbidities suggest conditions which are managed or would have a good chance of living 5+ years. Realistically you are looking at around 6-7 years average life expectancy if you remove those where COVID was the only cause of death and try and take into account pre-existing condition.
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I've got long covid, my oxygen keeps dropping if I even turn over in bed (I'm mostly in bed or sat on a chair. I can't walk more than a few steps), so I'm in a lot of the groups online for people with persisting symptoms.
There are some very unusual features of this long covid. Some people become cured if they have the bi variant vaccine, though it makes others worse. Some get cured if they get a cold etc. It's very odd.
I can't really describe it better but even in mild cases it seems to do something to people's "vitality" those less affected probably just write it off as having had a long day at work, etc. but will likely be seeing more instances where they feel wiped out after being more active, etc. it took me a good 3 months post COVID before I realised I wasn't needing to kind of hold myself back over a day so as to keep a reserve against it. I still think it slight impacts me compared to how I was before COVID now like some glitch deep in the system so to speak but in that respect I think I'm largely recovered.
I feel for you and wouldn't wish you're symptoms on anyone
Were you normal mobility and energy levels up to having a bout of covid? Presuming you recovered but were left with the symptoms you detail?
Could additional vaccines be a way to tackle it? Do you think the vaccines could be part of the problem?
I had to go in to hospital when my oxygen sats dropped to 73%. The week before I knew something was wrong as my body was feeling heavy. But I thought it was that long cold people kept getting.
Until I had to call the ambulance I had just been more tired than usual. I could still walk around and stand up for long periods.
I suspect covid itself lasted a week and I'd gone to hospital on the last few days, after a day on oxygen they removed it. I had managed to walk a little in hospital, with a walker. But gradually a week after being discharged that's when I noticed my oxygen level dropping when I walked.
I have this comode near my bed. It's about 3 feet away from me. Before I set off I was 98%. At the comode it dropped to 88%. Then I sit there for a few minutes and it's back to 98%. So I walk back to bed and it delay drops to 79%. After a few minutes it's back to 98%.
It seems to be covid hypoxia were the tissues become oxygen deprived. I'm led to believe this tends to recover after 5 to 6 months. I'm hoping that will work for me.
It's very life limiting. I have supplemental oxygen if I need. Though the oxygen doesn't stop the desaturation. It just recovers it faster.
There is a few theories going around about long covid.
1. Viral persistence. That the dead virus continues to cause an immune reaction.
2. Microclotting. That the body struggles to remove the dead virus as covid attacks the blood vessel structure that does the job.
Most long covid people recover. But for some it can take years.
The vaccine is involved in the system as its causing some symptoms, and also curing some symptoms. So we need to find what is the core of long covid and modify future vaccines, and once we know the trigger there can be medications to flush out the dead virus cells or boost the immune system.
1. Viral persistence. That the dead virus continues to cause an immune reaction.
2. Microclotting. That the body struggles to remove the dead virus as covid attacks the blood vessel structure that does the job.
Most long covid people recover. But for some it can take years.
The vaccine is involved in the system as its causing some symptoms, and also curing some symptoms. So we need to find what is the core of long covid and modify future vaccines, and once we know the trigger there can be medications to flush out the dead virus cells or boost the immune system.
I don't think there really is one fix so to speak - everyone seems to get hit a little differently by it though they usually share the same common/main symptoms.