8 year old PC, which bits to upgrade ?

Cheers folks.

Probably not buying anything new until (end of) next month but looks like the GPU will be the biggest jump in speed, going by that picture.

Is there much difference between my "AMD RYZEN 7 3700X EIGHT CORE 4.4GHZ" and that "AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Eight Core 4.5GHz" mentioned above ? As my brain just reads that as 'both are eight core, and the other one is only 0.1 Ghz faster" though I guess there's probably more to it... :D

Also, if I was to add a bit of RAM, I assume I have to stick to the same type and brand (Patriot Viper DDR4 3600Mhz) ?
 
Medic-one said:
Cheers folks.

Probably not buying anything new until (end of) next month but looks like the GPU will be the biggest jump in speed, going by that picture.

Is there much difference between my "AMD RYZEN 7 3700X EIGHT CORE 4.4GHZ" and that "AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Eight Core 4.5GHz" mentioned above ? As my brain just reads that as 'both are eight core, and the other one is only 0.1 Ghz faster" though I guess there's probably more to it... :D

Also, if I was to add a bit of RAM, I assume I have to stick to the same type and brand (Patriot Viper DDR4 3600Mhz) ?
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5800x3d is the fastest gaming CPU on that platform because it has a lot v cache.

Google 3700x v 5800x3d and see if you think it's worth it.

You don't have to stick to the same brand ram but timings will default to the slower of the two. Adding more ram can be a pain so it may be wiser to get 2x 16gb and sell your older stuff.
 
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mickyflinn said:
Adding more ram can be a pain so it may be wiser to get 2x 16gb and sell your older stuff.
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Even if was to get the same brand/speed etc, just in 16 or 32GB format ?

Saying that, isn't my "Patriot Viper Steel 16GB (2x 8GB) 3600MHz DDR4 C17" supposed to sit at 3600Mhz ?

It's sitting at this instead :

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Which is nowhere near 3600Mhz, or am I reading this completely wrong ?
 
Medic-one said:
Even if was to get the same brand/speed etc, just in 16 or 32GB format ?

Saying that, isn't my "Patriot Viper Steel 16GB (2x 8GB) 3600MHz DDR4 C17" supposed to sit at 3600Mhz ?

It's sitting at this instead :

mem.jpg


Which is nowhere near 3600Mhz, or am I reading this completely wrong ?
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Adding 2 more sticks of the same is the cheapest way but sometimes you can get instability problems with this or not being able to run at advertised speed .

It really is your choice .

As for speed it's Double data ram so it's x2 what your seeing (1796mhz) X 2, it's running at the correct speed .
 
mickyflinn said:
Adding 2 more sticks of the same is the cheapest way but sometimes you can get instability problems with this or not being able to run at advertised speed .

It really is your choice .

As for speed it's Double data ram so it's x2 what your seeing (1796mhz) X 2, it's running at the correct speed .
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Thanks for explaining, that makes more sense now!

I might just get some different faster ram sticks then, though am I correct in saying they have to be DDR4 as my mainboard (https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-ELITE-rev-10/sp#sp) doesn't support the DDR5 ones ?

  1. 4 x DDR4 DIMM sockets supporting up to 128 GB (32 GB single DIMM capacity) of system memory
  2. Dual channel memory architecture
  3. Support for DDR4 4733(O.C.) / 4600(O.C.) / 4400(O.C.) / 4266(O.C.) / 4133(O.C.) / 4000(O.C.) / 3866(O.C.) / 3733(O.C.) / 3600(O.C.) / 3466(O.C) / 3400(O.C.) / 3200(O.C.) / 2933 / 2667 / 2400 / 2133 MHz memory modules
  4. Support for ECC Un-buffered DIMM 1Rx8/2Rx8 memory modules*
    * ECC memory (ECC mode) support varies by CPU
  5. Support for non-ECC Un-buffered DIMM 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 memory modules
  6. Support for Extreme Memory Profile (XMP) memory modules
 
Medic-one said:
Thanks for explaining, that makes more sense now!

I might just get some different faster ram sticks then, though am I correct in saying they have to be DDR4 as my mainboard (https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-ELITE-rev-10/sp#sp) doesn't support the DDR5 ones ?

  1. 4 x DDR4 DIMM sockets supporting up to 128 GB (32 GB single DIMM capacity) of system memory
  2. Dual channel memory architecture
  3. Support for DDR4 4733(O.C.) / 4600(O.C.) / 4400(O.C.) / 4266(O.C.) / 4133(O.C.) / 4000(O.C.) / 3866(O.C.) / 3733(O.C.) / 3600(O.C.) / 3466(O.C) / 3400(O.C.) / 3200(O.C.) / 2933 / 2667 / 2400 / 2133 MHz memory modules
  4. Support for ECC Un-buffered DIMM 1Rx8/2Rx8 memory modules*
    * ECC memory (ECC mode) support varies by CPU
  5. Support for non-ECC Un-buffered DIMM 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 memory modules
  6. Support for Extreme Memory Profile (XMP) memory modules
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Yes DDR 4

I wouldn't, 3600mhz is optimal for your system and faster memory can be harder to keep stable.

Gaming it will have virtually no benefit.
 
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Medic-one said:
Ignoring gaming, I do find my system can struggle a bit when trying to multitask or do multiple things at once, so getting something like this would speed it up a bit wouldn't it ?


My basket at OcUK:

That just seems like a quick and cheap upgrade for now and then next month look at a new GPU and CPU.
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Save yourself £40+ and get something cheaper

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mickyflinn said:
Save yourself £40+ and get something cheaper

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Good call, I might just get that memory and a new CPU now, and a new GPU next month.

So looking at my mainboard spec, I believe I can only have these type of CPU's :
  1. AMD Socket AM4, support for: AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series/ Ryzen™ 5000 G-Series/ Ryzen™ 4000 G-Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen™/ 2nd Gen Ryzen™/ 2nd Gen Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics/ Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics Processors

So someone on the previous page recommended the "AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Cache Eight Core 4.5GHz" but there's also a "
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Twelve Core 4.8GHz" that's only £ 5, more, but has more cores by the looks of it :

My basket at OcUK:

Would I be better off going for the 12 core one or is the other one still better ?
 
Medic-one said:
Good call, I might just get that memory and a new CPU now, and a new GPU next month.

So looking at my mainboard spec, I believe I can only have these type of CPU's :
  1. AMD Socket AM4, support for: AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series/ Ryzen™ 5000 G-Series/ Ryzen™ 4000 G-Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen™/ 2nd Gen Ryzen™/ 2nd Gen Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics/ Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics Processors

So someone on the previous page recommended the "AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Cache Eight Core 4.5GHz" but there's also a "
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Twelve Core 4.8GHz" that's only £ 5, more, but has more cores by the looks of it :

My basket at OcUK:

Would I be better off going for the 12 core one or is the other one still better ?
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Gaming the 5800x3d is the fastest gaming CPU but if you do any video editing etc the 5900x is superior, while still being a decent gaming CPU.
 
Throw my oar in. I'd be tempted to sell the x570/3700x/ddr4 ram as a package if you looking at getting cpu and ram.
You can get gigabyte b650 gaming x ax and 7600 cpu for £350 and 32gb 6000c36 for £120.
The 5800x3d is a couple % slower than the 7600x cpu and 7600 a couple% slower than x too...won't be a lot in it I think.
Hardware unbowed did a vid yesterday regarding 4070 v 2070..on metro so can't link here. I'd be tempted to see what amd release...weddell did a vid on 4070, and it trades blows with a 3080, but he thought 3089 was a better card...doesn't really inspire me too much, but not a lot of options if you want new..maybe 7900xt with more vram...sorry, haven't read full thread so could be going way over your budget
 
Craig_d1 said:
Throw my oar in. I'd be tempted to sell the x570/3700x/ddr4 ram as a package if you looking at getting cpu and ram.
You can get gigabyte b650 gaming x ax and 7600 cpu for £350 and 32gb 6000c36 for £120.
The 5800x3d is a couple % slower than the 7600x cpu and 7600 a couple% slower than x too...won't be a lot in it I think.
Hardware unbowed did a vid yesterday regarding 4070 v 2070..on metro so can't link here. I'd be tempted to see what amd release...weddell did a vid on 4070, and it trades blows with a 3080, but he thought 3089 was a better card...doesn't really inspire me too much, but not a lot of options if you want new..maybe 7900xt with more vram...sorry, haven't read full thread so could be going way over your budget
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Don't worry about reading the full thread, the first 5 pages are from my original update (with advice from here) 3 years ago! :D
After spending a decent amount then I was just looking for 'a little upgrade' now so probably won't go for a different motherboard etc again, "just" a new GPU and CPU.
 
Medic-one said:
If I was to go for that 5900x (and upgrade my GPU) I assume I will still see a big difference over my current 3700X no ?
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Big not so sure more like up to 20% so you need do some comparisons before you decide . Even the 5600x over your 3700x would give simmlar sort of boost due to how much cache memory amount.

The 5800x3d has a lot more memory cache which helps in gaming but what you will get from all the 5000 series CPU is better 1% lows meaning less dips in frame rates.
 
So I've bought the CPU (5800X3D), some new RAM (2x 16 GB 3600 Mhz) and about to buy a GPU (Radeon RX 7900 XT) but I also wanna add a bit more HD space.

Ignoring the SSD with my music & photo's, I've currently got :

- WD BLUE SN550 1 TB NVME M.2 - Full of games.
- WD BLUE SN550 250 GB NVME M.2 - Running my Windows 10 OS

I want to use (part of the) 1 TB for my new OS (wanna upgrade to win 11), and I want to replace the 250 GB with a bigger one, and have been looking at some of the 4 TB M.2 drives so that'll keep me going for a while then.


I'm a little bit confused about my mainboard (X570 AORUS ELITE) specs, which list :

Integrated in the CPU (M2A_SOCKET):
· AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen™ Processors:
  1. 1 x M.2 connector (Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SATA and PCIe 4.0 x4/x2 SSD support)
· AMD Ryzen™ 5000 G-Series/ Ryzen™ 4000 G-Series/ 2nd Gen Ryzen™/ 2nd Gen Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics/ Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics Processors:
  1. 1 x M.2 connector (Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SATA and PCIe 3.0 x4/x2 SSD support)
Integrated in the Chipset (M2B_SOCKET):
  1. 1 x M.2 connector (Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SATA and PCIe 4.0/3.0 x4/x2 SSD support)
  2. 6 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors
  3. Support for RAID 0, RAID 1, and RAID 10

So does that mean that in the M2A socket it depends on what processor you use if you can use PCIe 4.0 or PCie 3.0 for the M.2 drive ?

And is that 5800X3D a 3rd gen processor ?

I'm looking at a couple different M.2 SSD's at the moment and some of them are "PCI Express 3.0 x4" and some are "PCIe 4.0 3D NAND", but just want to check if I use that 2nd one on my mainboard with the new CPU ?
 
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