Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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*Air Defence Systems Repelling Attacks on Ukraine Early Tuesday - Head of Ukrainian President’s Office
*Kyiv’s Mayor Klitschko: Blasts Heard in Kyiv, Emergency Services Dispatched

*Russia Attack on Kyiv Was Complex, ‘Exceptional in Its Density’, Vast Majority of ‘Enemy Targets’ Shot Down -Kyiv Officials
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People seem to think Russia targetted the Patriot battery itself with a large number of missiles.
 
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*Russia Attack on Kyiv Was Complex, ‘Exceptional in Its Density’, Vast Majority of ‘Enemy Targets’ Shot Down -Kyiv Officials
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*Ukraine Forces Shot Down All 18 Missiles of Various Types That Russia Launched Overnight on Ukraine: Army Chief
*Ukraine Shot Down 6 Kinzhal Missiles Overnight: Zaluzhnyi
 
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Rroff said:
People seem to think Russia targetted the Patriot battery itself with a large number of missiles.
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6 for 6 according to Ukraine

6 Kinzhal KH-47 hypersonics launched at Kyiv, 6 shot down (presumably by Patriot)

"Six Kh-47M2 "Kinzhal" aeroballistic missiles were launched from MiG-31K aircraft, 9 Kalibr cruise missiles were launched from the Black Sea, and three land-based missiles ("Iskander-M"). All 18 missiles were destroyed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In addition, on the night of May 16, the enemy attacked with attack drones of the Shahed-136/131 type, and also conducted aerial reconnaissance with three operational-tactical drones - "Orlan-10", "SuperCum". All are destroyed!"





 
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I don't get, other keeping the tension high, Russia has been doing it piecemeal over the last few days - they'd have had more success firing them all at once.
 
Sankari said:
I'd like to see some evidence of that.



Pretty sure nobody here has been claiming that.
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Yeah, I am afraid it is true. Russia absorbed much of the German military effort, at terrible cost. Having said that, it should also be remembered that Russia didn't save the world, kind of thing, Stalin would not have committed the Russian military if Germany had not invaded Russia. He was content to stay out of the war. So it wasn't really Russia being the hero, rather it was Russia saving its own skin. Nonetheless, their losses were huge.

Actually, reminds me a lot of Ukraine. At the time, Hitler thought he could take Russia pretty easily. I guess that Putin had the same look on his face as Hitler when it all started to go wrong.
 
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ubersonic said:
While the capability of the Kinzhal is no doubt overstated by Russia and potentially by military pundits going off Russian claims plus rumours, it should be heavily noted that the patriot battery that shot down the incoming missile was also the target of the missile.

To put this in perspective, during WW2 a German Tiger 1 tank managed to successfully shoot down an IL-2 Sturmovik ground attack aircraft that was descending towards it for the kill. While that shot still required serous accuracy, lead, etc by the gunner (to be clear it used the main cannon not the twin machine guns) it was made infinitely easier by the fact the target was coming straight at it while descending, had it been any other angle the shot would have been impossible.

This isn't to hate on the patriot, hell they've downed more RAF jets than Russia ever has lol, but if people are expecting this to become the norm they may well end up seriously disappointed (I hope not, but I'm being realistic rather than optimistic in the outlook). Russia have now confirmed that the patriot can indeed shoot a really fast fish in a barrel when pointed at the barrel and will probably not attempt that again (assuming ofc the first time was actually intended to kill the patriot and not just test it's capabilities).

More combat effective than what's left of the Russian army.

Let's not forget they lost like 300+ Spetsnaz on the first day and things didn't improve that much after then, the quality of the Russian Army has decreased almost as much as the quality of their equipment has :p
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Yes, even though it isn't a proper hypersonic, it's still very fast. Difficult to shoot down, not impossible.
 
SpellowHouse said:
Yeah, I am afraid it is true. Russia absorbed much of the German military effort, at terrible cost.
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The claim was they faced 75%-80% of the German might.

A quick Google shows 3 million German soldiers fought in Russia, out of a total of 13 million overall.

Though the 13M is probably over the whole war, and maybe 3M was a higher % at that specific point, but it's hard to see how it was up to 80% of the German might.
 
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*Ukraine Forces Shot Down All 18 Missiles of Various Types That Russia Launched Overnight on Ukraine: Army Chief
*Ukraine Shot Down 6 Kinzhal Missiles Overnight: Zaluzhnyi
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I can’t remember the statistic that I read, but it’s been a while since anything targeting Kyiv has gotten through their air defences. Either way, they seem to be intercepting far more now which is great to see.
 
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SpellowHouse said:
Yeah, I am afraid it is true. Russia absorbed much of the German military effort, at terrible cost. Having said that, it should also be remembered that Russia didn't save the world, kind of thing, Stalin would not have committed the Russian military if Germany had not invaded Russia. He was content to stay out of the war. So it wasn't really Russia being the hero, rather it was Russia saving its own skin. Nonetheless, their losses were huge.
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After Russia and Germany invaded and 'shared' Poland they were already in the war?
 
Freakbro said:
The claim was they faced 75%-80% of the German might.

A quick Google shows 3 million German soldiers fought in Russia, out of a total of 13 million overall.

Though the 13M is probably over the whole war, and maybe 3M was a higher % at that specific point, but it's hard to see how it was up to 80% of the German might.
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I don't know where this 80% figure comes from, but perhaps that is losses. As far as I am aware, far more Germans died in Russia than anywhere else?
 
Claims the Patriot system was destroyed though neither confirmed or good evidence as the video doesn't really show much.

EDIT: Though as someone pointed out in theory the component parts should be spread out so at best only one part such as an individual launcher or radar would have been hit if it was a successful hit.

EDIT2: I might be wrong but the video of launches looks possibly more like IRIS-T than a Patriot system.
 
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Freakbro said:
The claim was they faced 75%-80% of the German might.
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@Lord-Jaffa said "75% of losses". That appears to be ballpark correct (estimates vary). Your numbers are mixing total forces and numbers deployed at one time. The size of the German forces deployed on the Eastern front reached a height of around 3.75m, but they lost over 5m dead and 4m captured.

The proportion of allied loses suffered by the Soviets is also dramatically larger than those on the Western side.
 
Mr Jack said:
@Lord-Jaffa said "75% of losses". That appears to be ballpark correct (estimates vary). Your numbers are mixing total forces and numbers deployed at one time. The size of the German forces deployed on the Eastern front reached a height of around 3.75m, but they lost over 5m dead and 4m captured.

The proportion of allied loses suffered by the Soviets is also dramatically larger than those on the Western side.
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Follow the links back, Spellow quoted Sankari who was replying to Terminal Boy who said they faced 75-80% of the German might.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
The Russians faced 75-80% of Germany’s military might and destroyed it, leaving “Fortress Europe” defended by mostly injured, old or green troops.

Any claims that the Americans saved Russia or won the war in Europe on their own are beyond laughable.
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It's certainly true that Russian troops did most of the fighting and dying, but they did it with US industrial backing. Without Lend-Lease, the war looks very different.

A bit like Ukraine, really.
 
Mr Jack said:
It's certainly true that Russian troops did most of the fighting and dying, but they did it with US industrial backing. Without Lend-Lease, the war looks very different.

A bit like Ukraine, really.
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As a proportion of their total populations Belorussia and Ukraine lost the most.
 
Freakbro said:
Follow the links back, Spellow quoted Sankari who was replying to Terminal Boy who said they faced 75-80% of the German might.
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Jaffa's claim is more defined and thus easier to say either way, which is why I referenced it. Sorry that was unclear. I'd say 75% of might is also a fair framing, but it's also more ambiguous: how are we defining it exactly?
 
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