Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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My brain is trying to reconcile the notion that all the missiles were shot down vs reports of something being hit in Kyiv.

If all the missiles were shot down, what hit Kyiv? or was it the shot down missiles landing on a target?
 
HungryHippos said:
what hit Kyiv? or was it the shot down missiles landing on a target?
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A target? Possibly... Ukraine are hardly going to sing and dance about a successful russian strike against a military target.
Though I think it is just as likely to be either the wreckage of shot down missile/patriot missile/other AA missile system itself possibly impacting the ground/building/infrastructure of some nature. End of the day, what goes up must come down and when you are launching missiles in a congested built up area... well its inevitable something is going to land of something at some point.
 
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I don't get the talks about exceptionally dense or intense attacks - although the AA systems seemed to go into overdrive last night but by all reports not that many missiles or drones were actually used albeit the attack was somewhat complex and an up tick in hypersonic missiles which seemed to have been targetted specifically for the AA systems.
 
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Freddie1980 said:
Get the feeling Russia is now rolling these missiles out from the factory and straight onto the bombers (once they've stockpiled enough). That would explain the increasing lulls between strikes.
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The numbers don't really make much sense - there was a 2 month gap and then they fired off around 2 months of assumed production levels in a couple of days, but they've continued with strikes of small quantities, but too much to be daily production output, for many nights since and some of the debris supports these being recently built munitions. The way they are doing attacks piecemeal is a bit strange as well albeit if you were probing defences you might carry out more limited attacks at first.

EDIT: That said Russian logistics being what it is wouldn't be surprising if some missiles have taken awhile to get moved around to the right place, etc. and/or repurposed from elsewhere, etc.
 
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HungryHippos said:
See this is at odds with the reports of all missiles being shot down.

Given the track record of Russian reports being wildly inaccurate, I'd be disinclined to believe this statement without evidence.
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If properly setup, and no guarantee it was, a Patriot battery should be spread out - you can't destroy the whole thing with 1 or even 2 missiles.

It is possible as some commentators have suggested that from the rate they were sending stuff up they were anticipating being the target and just launched everything rather than being more conservative and risking missiles being blown up on the ground anyway - but at best they might have destroyed an empty launcher which is relatively easy to replace.
 
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*Russia’s Defence Ministry: Russian Forces Destroyed Patriot Air Defence System in Kyiv - IFX
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*Russia’s Defence Ministry: Russian Forces Destroyed Patriot Air Defence System in Kyiv - IFX
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While offering no evidence

Not long ago the Pentagon stated that Russian intelligence takes on average 48 hours to identify if they hit a forward target

Claiming they destroyed a patriot that's hundreds of km forward from the front when they have no recon planes in the air and have provided no evidence leads to a very dubious claim

 
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HungryHippos said:
I've not seen footage of Ukraine wasting tanks for no good reason, certainly not anything like the level of Russian tanks which wander off alone and get taken out.
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Lots of Russian tanks getting destroyed alone due to the lacking communications and so on but also they still persist with so called "recon by combat" tactics of sending out a lone tank with 2-3 armoured fighting vehicles in support which Ukraine long ago learned to take out with small precise actions rather than going hammer on them and exposing their entire forces positions.

Weird that Russia favour that tactic as the slow reverse speed on most Soviet design tanks mean they can't really manoeuvre to pull return fire and either have to expose their weaker armour to withdraw or as often ends up the case get stuck in and duke it out.
 
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