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Equipment that works as advertised and plenty of high quality training will do that.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Equipment that works as advertised and plenty of high quality training will do that.
Meanwhile today a Russian deputy Duma member said he wants private military companies banned and its members sent to prison for 15 years
Wagner responded by releasing a video saying after the war they will March to the Kremlin and rape him in the streets for everyone to see (totally not gay, Russia is a Christian bastion of humanity after all lmao)
Wagner responded by releasing a video saying after the war they will March to the Kremlin and rape him in the streets for everyone to see (totally not gay, Russia is a Christian bastion of humanity after all lmao)
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as crazy as it seems, but I expect he probably would as well.
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Top bantz m8 innit.
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Another great victory for mighty Russia, right up their with the successful operation of intercepting all those anti tank missiles using nothing but your own tanks.
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I mean it's a genius plan, sacrifice one tank to save another, what's not to like?
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I dunno what to think of this footage taken from live webcams, at the end it certainly looks like one of the launchers was hit
Crazy amount of launches though, I wonder if Russia are just probing to see how many missiles they need to ensure Ukraine run out of missiles before needing to reload
At least 4 launchers firing at multiple targets. Expended 30 missiles, presumably the cheaper PAC-3 version
Some missiles stray way off course
I doubt they changed position before getting hit.
Surprised how slow those missiles accelerate.
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The dunno what to make of it was in reference to the explosion in the area of the launchers at the end, certainly possible one was hit but not definite proof one was hit
Possible it is just the launch flash of a missile(s) going a direction that isn't visible to the camera, it is far too small an explosion for a direct hit on a loaded launcher anyhow.
Difficult to tell in the video if they are straying off course or perspective - they might be receding into the distance away from the camera at targets that way making it look like they are slowly falling they have quite crazy thrust vectoring capability.
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Wouldnt be too big for a hit on the Radar module. I would like to think that they wouldnt have co-located though as its designed to distributed deployment.
The radar module is probably the easiest bit for Russia to locate and target. The way they were popping them off I suspect they were getting everything out and scooting as quickly as possible.
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Wouldn't it have been unloaded given the amount of missiles launched and seems odd given all the launches to launch a solitary missile at the end ?
Probably, isn't the radar signature how they're able to target them ?
AD isn't infallible. People have been acting like it couldn't possibly happen. The trouble is really that Russia cries wolf so much, that even if they said something truthful.....
Was it Vietnam where SAM operators didn't want to turn on their radars as the US were using radar seeking missiles?
Was it Vietnam where SAM operators didn't want to turn on their radars as the US were using radar seeking missiles?
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Yes that would be the primary way to locate. Unlike other parts of their military capabilities, their Electronic Warfare capabilities are actually very capable.
If you know the operating frequencies of a radar system its extremely easy to track a radiating platform. There are ways to mitigate being located. However, in the end every time you radiate especially with a radar system as powerful as these systems use, you are literally a massive beacon in the dark. Any attempt to mask this signature will likely degrade the capability of the radar itself.
What I think Russia are doing with these extended attacks is to force Ukraine to radiate these platforms for long periods of time, they will likely only turn them on at last safe moment when there is intelligence to suggest an incoming attack, hence you see all the NATO air assets up prior to attacks. In doing this they will be able to accurately identify the location of the tracking radars. One way to get around this is by radiating for very short periods of time bewteen multiple systems, its a method we call blinking. Its really only going to be effective on a mobile system though. and from what I've seen I dont think Patriot is very mobile.
One other potential way of locating these Patriot battery's is through HUMINT, people/agents on the ground physically locating the equipment. Though I think this is a lot more difficult and risky these days, may have been easier prior to the full scale invasion, not nearly as easy these days.
I keep seeing stories of Ukranian forces arresting collaborators, agents etc within Ukraine (Kiev), so that probably is going on
Speaking of intelligence.
On that webcam footage, red lights on buildings hint it is close to airfield, someone suggested Kiev Zhuliany
Makes sense as it would have large secured territory to deploy full Patriot system. Hard to hide such big semi-stationary positions with multiple vehicles.
Decoys have been used throughout the war so I can easily imagine there being plenty of wooden/plastic/metal or whatever fakes of PAC-3 systems all over the place.
Fascism is defined quite a bit by the sexual insecurities of weak men, in fact anyone spouting 'family values' or are obsessed with calling others feminine fits into that land of 'definitely a joke' homoeroticism/'sus' behaviour.
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