Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Peter75 said:
Kind of hilarious, he's really trying his best to appear reasonable but the posts reek of "capitulation" and considering who his hero's are it isn't surprising.

Say acquiesce to Russian aggression without saying acquiesce to Russian aggression.
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Problem is what normally happens is this will rumble on now for a few hours.
 
Roar87 said:
I think Russia is now dug in with 300,000 troops, the US military would be able to dislodge them but not much else. From a strategic point of view Ukraine would be risking a lot of men and equipment to fight the kind of large scale offensive required, which obviously comprises it's ability to defend the territory it still holds.
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Poorly equipped, poorly trained and poorly compensenated soldiers who will likely run away at the first sign of trouble a good defence does not make.
 
Peter75 said:
Kind of hilarious, he's really trying his best to appear reasonable but the posts reek of "capitulation" and considering who his hero's are it isn't surprising.

Say acquiesce to Russian aggression without saying acquiesce to Russian aggression.
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Yeah, imagine listening to what US intelligence say and also researching the situation on the ground, which is that Russia has fully mobilised the 300,000 troops and they'll have dug in expecting a Ukrainian counter offensive


Bunch of Georges here

edition.cnn.com

Ukraine could launch its offensive against Russia any moment. Here's what's waiting | CNN

Ukraine says its preparations for a spring counter-offensive are almost complete. When it's launched, probably in the south, it will mark a pivotal moment in the conflict. But the Russians have had nearly six months to prepare the ground -- and build an elaborate array of defenses. Breaking...
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CNN actually have a good article on Russia's defenses, but every week that passes they will be expanding upon them.
 
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Nate75 said:
Problem is what normally happens is this will rumble on now for a few hours.
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Funny how when there is bad new to bury these posts start appearing out the woodwork, posters who most of the time don't bother with this thread. If not directly complicit the Russian cyber teams know how to stir up the diversive topics with a little promoted social media post here, a little argument/suggestion there to get them going, etc.
 
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Roar87 said:
Yeah, imagine listening to what US intelligence say and also researching the situation on the ground, which is that Russia has fully mobilised the 300,000 troops and they'll have dug in expecting a Ukrainian counter offensive


Bunch of Georges here
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oh, best surrender then. Lets hope no-one ever gets stuck in a foxhole with you.

it would do well to remember that most of the west at the beginning of the war severely underestimated the resolve and tactical prowess of the Ukrainian army who manged to push them out of Kyiv, then further pushes taking back 20% of the land stolen. The west/US also predicted that Ukraine would have no option but to abandon Bakhmut yet it would appear that the Russians are being pushed back and encircled. The majority of those gains above were made before more sophisticated weaponry was supplied to Ukraine (Tanks, Patriot, StormShadow, GLSDB, fully trained troops by western armies)

My point being is the US Intelligence service can can make as many assessments and predictions as they want but there's no guarantees the real war will reflect it. The fight goes on, regardless of what you and your puppet master Musk thinks.
 
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Roar87 said:
Obvious any fighting will gain little ground either side, US intelligence knows this, at this point people are just dying needlessly for borders that will not change.
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It was also "obvious" that Russia was going to steamroll Ukraine in a matter of days or weeks when this all kicked off.

So "obvious" yet, now we know, so wrong.

I think it's time to recalibrate our assumptions of Russia's effectiveness in light of their (lack of) performance we have witnessed in this war.

If Putin gains anything from this aggression, he will just do it again, and again, and again. The lives that are being lost now are arguably a direct result of the capitulation with Crimea. Putin has demonstrated that the more you Capitulate, the more he takes.

He will not stop until he is FORCED to stop.
 
There are some weird and wonderful creations being put together with this war - T-54/55 or T-62 chassis mated with turrets from BMP-1s, naval guns or home brew, etc. to make assault guns, anti-infantry platforms terminator style, etc. etc.
 
Roar87 said:
Obvious any fighting will gain little ground either side, US intelligence knows this, at this point people are just dying needlessly for borders that will not change.
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Good job Ukrainians have bigger balls than you or Russia would have already wiped them out and Ukraine's borders would cease to exist as it became a vassal state at best. You are advocating for us to throw them under the bus.
 
Scougar said:
I'm wondering if Ukraine is actually probing to decide where to attack and is looking for an exploitable opening.
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There hasn't been a huge commitment of Ukr forces other than some efforts around Bakhmut and we've not seen much of the heavy Western gear in action yet. I haven't seen any combat footage with a western tank or AJAX, just a few lighter vehicles like the M113.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Good job Ukrainians have bigger balls than you or Russia would have already wiped them out and Ukraine's borders would cease to exist as it became a vassal state at best. You are advocating for us to throw them under the bus.
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It's actually quite dull posting in this thread, because when I say what I think will happen it is assumed that I'm some how advocating for that outcome
 
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Roar87 said:
It's actually quite dull posting in this thread, because when I say what I think will happen it is assumed that I'm some how advocating for that outcome
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Without being a flake, what is the outcome you are advocating for?
 
dLockers said:
Without being a flake, what is the outcome you are advocating for?
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I think the best solution would be for a cease fire to occur and for all sides to speak to each other to find a solution that is acceptable for all parties. The reality of that will be compromises from both sides, but Russia isn't going to disappear as a country and neither is Ukraine, the EU and NATO. Clearly more work needs to be done by our leaders that stops Ukrainian and Russian soldiers and civilians being killed. Our leaders have failed their citizens on both sides.
 
Roar87 said:
I think the best solution would be for a cease fire to occur and for all sides to speak to each other to find a solution that is acceptable for all parties. The reality of that will be compromises from both sides, but Russia isn't going to disappear as a country and neither is Ukraine, the EU and NATO. Clearly more work needs to be done by our leaders that stops Ukrainian and Russian soldiers and civilians being killed. Our leaders have failed their citizens on both sides.
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Of course! Why has no-one thought of this before?

Russia wants Ukraine to become part of Russia and to eliminate all of the current government and all the Nazis (whoever they are).
Ukraine would like its land back and reparations for the massive destruction of well, everything and all the people killed and wounded.

Perhaps you'd like to come up with a compromise that meets both those goals.
 
Roar87 said:
I think the best solution would be for a cease fire to occur and for all sides to speak to each other to find a solution that is acceptable for all parties. The reality of that will be compromises from both sides, but Russia isn't going to disappear as a country and neither is Ukraine, the EU and NATO. Clearly more work needs to be done by our leaders that stops Ukrainian and Russian soldiers and civilians being killed. Our leaders have failed their citizens on both sides.
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If you want a cease fire / peace, are you also saying that Ukraine should give up some of it's land in order for this to happen?
 
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