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They are moving so slowly when it comes to turning the country socially, industrially as well as militarily to a war footing as things go events are out pacing that transition. But they do still have large quantities of small arms and older IFVs i.e. MT-LBs, etc

On this I agree, I think they are not expecting this to out-pace stockpiles/production, but as things are going, I think Russia will either need to move to more of a war-footing, or they'll have to import military equipment from someone willing to supply them. The list of countries willing to supply them is short, and any that try and do it under the radar may well get discovered and have their reputation tarnished, as supplying weapons to Russia is effectively tantamount to supporting the invasion.

Russia lacks preparedness in this respect and I think equipment and material shortages could eventually bite them, though I maintain this is still some months away from being a real problem, production has it's own ramp up time.
 
Allegedly Ukraine have shot down at least 1 warplane with the patriot, but it doesn't state any details so it's source: trust me bro for now.

What is the range like on the Patriots?

I think their main aim is anti-missile defence, but nice to have if it also shoots down planes that stray too close.

Patriot causing hell for the Russians and should only get better from here. In reality I doubt we know it’s true capability.
 
It's not just valuing human life, it's also the cost of training and the loss of experience that the death of quality solders brings.

With combat, real life experience is hard to get as there aren't that many wars fought these days.

If Russians charge head-first into entrenched positions to die then any experience they had goes with them.

Same is true for both sides, that's why you want to keep your soldiers alive, dead soldiers can't do anything.

Again thats why you see Bahmut. If your happy to see very high comparative losses then sending basically untrained will see some wins.
Its like WW1 all over. Sheer weight of numbers will see gains even if its a slaughter for many of those there.
Don't send the good troops to rush trenches, send the crappy ones, (wagnerites, draftees etc).
Although again Russia seem to have used even their good troops for dumb stuff.
Its just a different mindset to the West with Putins crowd.

100 year old guns are just as deadly when you get hit by a bullet (kinda).
What Russia seems to do is just dump everything into storage, it may be rusty and poor condition and may blow up and injure the firer, but if you don't care about that person. You just give them the basics knowledge and set them in the right direction the odd one will make a difference.

There were talks of lots of shortages for Ukraine as well, they are using a lot of the same ammo types as Russia. Most of which the main western nations do not produce in any volume.
Mainly its in old ex Soviet states who themselves have been slowly switching to westernised equipment in many cases (often with NATO membership)

Stingers early on it was listed as highly concerning that the stocks would deplete rapidly.
The production line was a single place in the US and was basically mothballed and in disrepair, and described as basically unsafe.
Talk was to how quickly it could be semi modernised and put back to producing stingers.

Anyway I think the lines will move and quite a lot soon. Bahmut I suspect will fall quickly. Ukraine will IMO just go round it, surround it and wait till the Russians are ready to surrender.

Patriot causing hell for the Russians and should only get better from here. In reality I doubt we know it’s true capability.

Always the way.
Generally there isn't that much that remains out of public knowledge for a sustained period but some bits are always retained due to official secrets act etc.
When they are used in anger it gets kinda hard to keep what it is doing a secret, but how its doing it can remain secret.

I can't think that over its lifetime Patriot hasn't been beefed up, better processors, better radars (via tweaks), missile improvements etc
Does it integrate in the US battlefield systems fully? You know where more info is shared by more equipment.
Could be why so many western flights are up and around it could be getting a lot of other info to help in its effectiveness.
 
Anyway I think the lines will move and quite a lot soon. Bahmut I suspect will fall quickly. Ukraine will IMO just go round it, surround it and wait till the Russians are ready to surrender.

Ukraine now counter-attacking on the flanks, while still soaking up the middle at Bakhmut - as mentioned before even in this day of drones and so on Bakhmut is a kill zone if you hold the western side and flanks - Russia did actually wise up enough I think to try and push the flanks ahead of taking the middle but looks like the tide is turning there - they might find winning Bakhmut ultimately just leads to more pain.
 
Ukraine now counter-attacking on the flanks, while still soaking up the middle at Bakhmut - as mentioned before even in this day of drones and so on Bakhmut is a kill zone if you hold the western side and flanks - Russia did actually wise up enough I think to try and push the flanks ahead of taking the middle but looks like the tide is turning there - they might find winning Bakhmut ultimately just leads to more pain.

I think they will, I cannot see any other possibility.
From everything I have seen its little more than smoking rubble now :(
 
They probably still want to do it for the political victory.

Akin to reaching the top of the mountain but ultimately dying anyway as you lack the strength to return to the bottom.
 
Allegedly Ukraine have shot down at least 1 warplane with the patriot, but it doesn't state any details so it's source: trust me bro for now.

What is the range like on the Patriots?

I think their main aim is anti-missile defence, but nice to have if it also shoots down planes that stray too close.
Would the operator not decide what the system allowed to fire on?

I would assume the system picks up the target and the operator decides its a legit target or not, yes, No?
 
Would the operator not decide what the system allowed to fire on?

I would assume the system picks up the target and the operator decides its a legit target or not, yes, No?

Operator selects (from a list I assume) and commander approves from what I have seen
There must be a semi / fully autonomous mode as well though I guess for lots incoming, like high speed missiles
Cant be taking 5 seconds to select and similar to approve then
 
Thank you guys for the continuing discussion on this. I have very little knowledge on the history between Russia and Ukraine, military hardware etc. and it's miles from my wheelhouse. Keeping an eye on this thread to follow ideas, points and really hope that Ukraine are able to eventually prevail, hopefully at as small a loss as possible.
 
Patriot causing hell for the Russians and should only get better from here. In reality I doubt we know it’s true capability.
I wonder if Russian aircraft have been coming closer to the border to try and intercept whatever Ukraine are launching Storm Shadow from.

Bit of a dilema, either try and shoot down the lauch aircraft and risk your own destruction to AD, or don't and accept that Storm Shadow will destroy something that matters to you. A win-win for Ukraine.
 
I wonder if Russian aircraft have been coming closer to the border to try and intercept whatever Ukraine are launching Storm Shadow from.

Bit of a dilema, either try and shoot down the lauch aircraft and risk your own destruction to AD, or don't and accept that Storm Shadow will destroy something that matters to you. A win-win for Ukraine.
Just fly towards the border, bait the russian fighters so they have to disable SAM sites then use patriot to take the russian fighters out.

Seriously I’m wondering when the political party with help of the military, tired of the losses, shoot throw putin out of an open window.
 
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Just fly towards the border, bait the russian fighters so they have to disable SAM sites then use patriot to take the russian fighters out.

Seriously I’m wondering when the political party with help of the military, tired of the losses, shoot throw putin out of an open window.

He isn't immune but I don't see that happening he has spent decades cementing his grip on power.
 
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