Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Scougar said:
I love that he clearly hasn't been paying attention. If roar managed to miss Darth Putin after well over a year and a book release, I seriously have to question whether roar actually even follows WTH is going on in Ukraine.
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Old mate only reads headlines, he's not one for nuance.
 
Scougar said:
I love that he clearly hasn't been paying attention. If roar managed to miss Darth Putin after well over a year and a book release, I seriously have to question whether roar actually even follows WTH is going on in Ukraine.
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He clearly has his opinion on these kind of things handed to him by whoever or whatever he looks up to media personality or politician or whatever rather than any thoughts on it of his own.

EDIT: In a more general context it is a large part of why this country is in such a mess - so many people just follow the politics of the household they grew up in or the perceived authority figure in their life, etc. etc.
 
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Rroff said:
He clearly has his opinion on these kind of things handed to him by whoever or whatever he looks up to media personality or politician or whatever rather than any thoughts on it of his own.

EDIT: In a more general context it is a large part of why this country is in such a mess - so many people just follow the politics of the household they grew up in or the perceived authority figure in their life, etc. etc.
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We know he likes the sort of people, Brexit leaders, Trump, then now Musk.
You can guarantee if Musk said he had changed his mind in regards Ukraine, Wimper would follow shortly after
 
Rroff said:
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EDIT: In a more general context it is a large part of why this country is in such a mess - so many people just follow the politics of the household they grew up in or the perceived authority figure in their life, etc. etc.
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O YES. Christ, what's wrong with considering your own best interests when voting?

The thing I don't get is how some very left wing people will support Russia out of some sort of USSR nostalgia/ opposition to the US. It is just bizarre behaviour.
 
Scougar said:
What I find even more fascinating is how the right wing often support Russia. Nuts.
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Some have a puzzling ability to dissociate the bad bits of someone or something if there is something there which supports their views/perspective on the world, etc. as if they can somehow have one without the other/rest.
 
Scougar said:
What I find even more fascinating is how the right wing often support Russia. Nuts.
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I think that is influenced by certain US politicians and right wing political commentators. I think some aspects of this is down to complete hatred for Democratic policies and a need to be diametrically opposed. Others... well they are just "bought". As with a lot of modern US culture its bleeds across into British in some respects.
 
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Rroff said:
Some have a puzzling ability to dissociate the bad bits of someone or something if there is something there which supports their views/perspective on the world, etc. as if they can somehow have one without the other/rest.
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Agree this is the issue and it applies to the extremes of left and right in politics more than anywhere else.
Typically they are so zealoty in certain things they will blindly turn their eye away from other inconvenient truths.
 
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steve45 said:
I think that is influenced by certain US politicians and right wing political commentators. I think some aspects of this is down to complete hatred for Democratic policies and a need to be diametrically opposed. Others... well they are just "bought". As with a lot of modern US culture its bleeds across into British in some respects.
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The whole 'alternative facts' ridiculousness brought out tons of conspiracy stuff to the forefront and enabled politicians to use/abuse it. Right wings won't mention stuff about why it's wrong to support Ukraine etc, they'll talk about Biden, ukraine labs, anti-globalisation etc. It won't be a 'moral' argument as such.

I will say, that both left and right have done damage here. It still doesn't excuse that we have one of two major enemies of the west engaging in a war, that some people think we should just ignore.
 
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Scougar said:
The whole 'alternative facts' ridiculousness brought out tons of conspiracy stuff to the forefront and enabled politicians to use/abuse it. Right wings won't mention stuff about why it's wrong to support Ukraine etc, they'll talk about Biden, ukraine labs, anti-globalisation etc. It won't be a 'moral' argument as such.

I will say, that both left and right have done damage here. It still doesn't excuse that we have one of two major enemies of the west engaging in a war, that some people think we should just ignore.
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The argument is about the world of Post Truth, where facts dont matter as the perception - Strength Through Unity, Unity Through Faith and England Prevails
 
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Scougar said:
The whole 'alternative facts' ridiculousness brought out tons of conspiracy stuff to the forefront and enabled politicians to use/abuse it. Right wings won't mention stuff about why it's wrong to support Ukraine etc, they'll talk about Biden, ukraine labs, anti-globalisation etc. It won't be a 'moral' argument as such.

I will say, that both left and right have done damage here. It still doesn't excuse that we have one of two major enemies of the west engaging in a war, that some people think we should just ignore.
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The conspiracy type thing was a proper lunatic fringe a decade or two back, and generally treated with contempt.

And here we are...
 
Dis86 said:
I'm seeing the left do the same. Largely because they want to blame the 'corrupt west'. Not because they actually bother to see whats going on.
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And yet the left are overwhelmingly in support of the Ukrainians / Ukraine, while the right have the puppets on fox news spouting Russian propaganda.

Not sure the 2 situations are comparable in this conflict :)

*Edit* grammar correction due to pedantry.
 
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Devilman said:
And yet the left are overwhelmingly in support of the Ukraine, while the right have the puppets on fox news spouting Russian propaganda.

Not sure the 2 situations are comparable in this conflict :)
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It is Ukraine, not 'the Ukraine', that is leading to Russian propaganda. ;)
 
"The Ukraine" was old way of referring to it back in Soviet days which is how some of us learnt of its existence hearing "Ukraine" for the first time was jarring I still say it the old way occasionally

n.b. "ukraine" means "border country" or borderlands something like that so adding the definite article makes sense grammatically if not politically
 
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