Just what is NVIDIA up to?

[humbug]

According to TPU the distance between the 6800XT and the 3080 is 4%, vs the 6800 its 21%.

7900XT vs 4080 is 14%.

So its not 6800XT but its also not a 6800.

Right, and then there's this, which absolutely no one in the mainstream press is talking about, granted its only a couple of examples but i would like the whole stack of games retested because those are some serious performance gains from a driver update.
Its #### odd because there were reports that AMD was working on getting some of the missing performance through drivers, all the mainstream channels said no you're all AMD fanboys AMD just lied.
This is the problem with this type of click bait journalism, they make pompous statements like that to deliberately aggravate people and if it turns out they are wrong they ignore it because it then makes them looks like idiots.

So until we know what the actual performance of these cards is NOW we can't judge what they are worth.

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT is up to 67% Faster with the Latest Adrenalin Driver Update | Hardware Times

AMD recently released a new graphics driver that boosts performance by double-digit percentages. This Radeon Software Adrenaline Edition update mostly focuses on “Forza Horizon 5” and “The Last of Us.” The performance uplift conferred, though, is not something you see with an everyday driver...

www.hardwaretimes.com

 

[ICDP]

I have a 4080 and a 7900 XT and the difference is not 14% it is about 10% at 4K and a bit less at 1440p. This is with raster of course.

The 7900 XT is £375 cheaper than the 4080. So can we please stop falling into the logical fallacy of comparing the 7900 XT to a GPU that is considerably more expensive. It needs to be compared to the similar priced 4070Ti which the 7900 XT beats in raster and almost matches in RT (even in extreme RT games).

 

[SpellowHouse]

Agreed and if the 7900 XTX was £900 on release and the 7900 XT was £700, then I would not care about the naming. Those prices and performance would have been seen as unbeatable.

100%

The reviewers would have gone nuts and the hysteria would have been passed on to the buyers.

The crazy thing is, NVIDIA launched first, so AMD had every advantage.

 

[uscool]

According to TPU the distance between the 6800XT and the 3080 is 4%, vs the 6800 its 21%.

7900XT vs 4080 is 14%.

So its not 6800XT but its also not a 6800.

Right, and then there's this, which absolutely no one in the mainstream press is talking about, granted its only a couple of examples but i would like the whole stack of games retested because those are some serious performance gains from a driver update.
Its #### odd because there were reports that AMD was working on getting some of the missing performance through drivers, all the mainstream channels said no you're all AMD fanboys AMD just lied.
This is the problem with this type of click bait journalism, they make pompous statements like that to deliberately aggravate people and if it turns out they are wrong they ignore it because it then makes them looks like idiots.

So until we know what the actual performance of these cards is NOW we can't judge what they are worth.

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT is up to 67% Faster with the Latest Adrenalin Driver Update | Hardware Times

AMD recently released a new graphics driver that boosts performance by double-digit percentages. This Radeon Software Adrenaline Edition update mostly focuses on “Forza Horizon 5” and “The Last of Us.” The performance uplift conferred, though, is not something you see with an everyday driver...

www.hardwaretimes.com

Forza Horizon 5 doesn't show the true picture it was broken on rdna3, it was barely beating rdna2 , they just fixed what we should have expected on release

Good improvement on tlou though

AMD don't really help themselves when they have to fix stuff later when the hype with reviews are when card releases

 

[humbug]

I have a 4080 and a 7900 XT and the difference is not 14% it is about 10% at 4K and a bit less at 1440p. This is with raster of course.

The 7900 XT is £375 cheaper than the 4080. So can we please stop falling into the logical fallacy of comparing the 7900 XT to a GPU that is considerably more expensive.

I do sometimes wonder if the Nvidia review guide says you're supposed to get X amount of performance and reviewers just copy that down anyway if they don't quite get there because you know what its only 5% and its not worth arguing with Nvidia over.......

 

[gjbf1]

I do sometimes wonder if the Nvidia review guide says you're supposed to get X amount of performance and reviewers just copy that down anyway if they don't quite get there because you know what its only 5% and its not worth arguing with Nvidia over.......

They might send specially binned cards to reviewers too. A Ferrari trick.

 

[Jay85]

Do we actually know how many PC's are in the survey?

I find it very difficult to believe that one million RTX4080's have been sold.

I find that hard to believe as well, hardly anyone ever posts about a 4080 in their rig. It's usually a 4090 or a 7900xt(x) or some of the lower tier 4070's.

 

[Jay85]

According to TPU the distance between the 6800XT and the 3080 is 4%, vs the 6800 its 21%.

7900XT vs 4080 is 14%.

So its not 6800XT but its also not a 6800.

Right, and then there's this, which absolutely no one in the mainstream press is talking about, granted its only a couple of examples but i would like the whole stack of games retested because those are some serious performance gains from a driver update.
Its #### odd because there were reports that AMD was working on getting some of the missing performance through drivers, all the mainstream channels said no you're all AMD fanboys AMD just lied.
This is the problem with this type of click bait journalism, they make pompous statements like that to deliberately aggravate people and if it turns out they are wrong they ignore it because it then makes them looks like idiots.

So until we know what the actual performance of these cards is NOW we can't judge what they are worth.

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT is up to 67% Faster with the Latest Adrenalin Driver Update | Hardware Times

AMD recently released a new graphics driver that boosts performance by double-digit percentages. This Radeon Software Adrenaline Edition update mostly focuses on “Forza Horizon 5” and “The Last of Us.” The performance uplift conferred, though, is not something you see with an everyday driver...

www.hardwaretimes.com

Someone on this forum should test it and find out, i mean we're on a enthusiasts forum anyway. I'm sure the testing would be highly enjoyed too seeing those new numbers, i know i would if i had one to test now.

 

[Joxeon]

I have a 4080 and a 7900 XT and the difference is not 14% it is about 10% at 4K and a bit less at 1440p. This is with raster of course.

The 7900 XT is £375 cheaper than the 4080. So can we please stop falling into the logical fallacy of comparing the 7900 XT to a GPU that is considerably more expensive. It needs to be compared to the similar priced 4070 which the 7900 XT murders in raster and matches in RT (even in extreme RT games).

Using any of Nvidia's new gen pricing is flawed because the cards are simply not worth what they are asking, take a 4070 for example, I see this as a £400 card and this is the maximum I'd pay for one, The 4070ti is worth around £525 and the £4080 £750 to £800. My view of AMDs cards is £600 for a 7900XT and £750 for an 7900XTX.

You're view obviously differs as you brought a 4080 for around £1200 so no wonder a 7900XT looks good to you at £700.

 

[humbug]

Using any of Nvidia's new gen pricing is flawed because the cards are simply not worth what they are asking, take a 4070 for example, I see this as a £400 card and this is the maximum I'd pay for one, The 4070ti is worth around £525 and the £4080 £750 to £800. My view of AMDs cards is £600 for a 7900XT and £750 for an 7900XTX.

You're view obviously differs as you brought a 4080 for around £1200 so no wonder a 7900XT looks good to you at £700.

The 4070 is probably the only card that actually isn't bad compared with previous gen.

Its 37% faster than the 3070, and it has 12GB of VRam.

The only sticking point is the price, the 3070 was $500, the 4070 is $600, but it is a much better GPU, i think had Nvidia met us in the middle with that one, $550, i think its a good GPU at a good deal.

At $400 you're just being deliberately obtuse.

 

[Joxeon]

The 4070 is probably the only card that actually isn't bad compared with previous gen.

Its 37% faster than the 3070, and it has 12GB of VRam.

The only sticking point is the price, the 3070 was $500, the 4070 is $600, but it is a much better GPU, i think had Nvidia met us in the middle with that one, $550, i think its a good GPU at a good deal.

At $400 you're just being deliberately obtuse.

A 4070 is not 37% faster than a 3070, TPU have it as 22% faster for 20% more money, having 12gb is good but then thats really the minimum amount we should be on cards over £300 in 2023.

Not sure why you don't agree with my £400 valuation, for reference a £369 3060ti was faster than a 2080 yet a 4070 is slower than a 3080 despite ADA being on a much better process node.

 

[humbug]

A 4070 is not 37% faster than a 3070, TPU have it as 22% faster for 20% more money, having 12gb is good but then thats really the minimum amount we should be on cards over £300 in 2023.

Not sure why you don't agree with my £400 valuation, for reference a £369 3060ti was faster than a 2080 yet a 4070 is slower than a 3080 despite ADA being on a much better process node.

25% at 4K

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition Review

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4070 launches today. In this review we're taking a look at the Founders Edition, which sells at the baseline MSRP of $600. NVIDIA's new FE is a beauty, and its dual-slot design is compact enough to fit into all cases. In terms of performance, the card can match RTX 3080...

www.techpowerup.com

Its a quarter faster with 12GB VRam, its just a bit over priced, its worth $500, maybe $550, not $400, that's $100 cheaper than the card its replaced.

 

[uscool]

Using any of Nvidia's new gen pricing is flawed because the cards are simply not worth what they are asking, take a 4070 for example, I see this as a £400 card and this is the maximum I'd pay for one, The 4070ti is worth around £525 and the £4080 £750 to £800. My view of AMDs cards is £600 for a 7900XT and £750 for an 7900XTX.

You're view obviously differs as you brought a 4080 for around £1200 so no wonder a 7900XT looks good to you at £700.

something inside dies in me especially when I see 4080 purchased because how ridiculous it is and letting nvidia get away with it so why would they offer something better in the future my only hope is that only very few are buying it

 

[Jay85]

The 4070 is probably the only card that actually isn't bad compared with previous gen.

Its 37% faster than the 3070, and it has 12GB of VRam.

The only sticking point is the price, the 3070 was $500, the 4070 is $600, but it is a much better GPU, i think had Nvidia met us in the middle with that one, $550, i think its a good GPU at a good deal.

At $400 you're just being deliberately obtuse.

Its a decent deal if you can find one secondhand at that price or below. Seen them go for abit less used tbf.

 

[Jay85]

something inside dies in me especially when I see 4080 purchased because how ridiculous it is and letting nvidia get away with it so why would they offer something better in the future my only hope is that only very few are buying it

Our only hope is for the investors to tell Jensen to stop being a plonker and bring those sales back up.

 

[Quartz]

The Moore's Law Is Dead YouTube channel is reporting that Nvidia has all but ceased production of Lovelace as it has plenty of stock and is shifting production to the much more profitable Hopper.

 

[NZXT30]

The Moore's Law Is Dead YouTube channel is reporting that Nvidia has all but ceased production of Lovelace as it has plenty of stock and is shifting production to the much more profitable Hopper.

I'm expecting AMD to follow suit even though they got nothing to shift to.

 

[gjbf1]

I find that hard to believe as well, hardly anyone ever posts about a 4080 in their rig. It's usually a 4090 or a 7900xt(x) or some of the lower tier 4070's.

Yes I was shocked at the Steam survey stats after my previous post on this. Most people here seem to have avoided the 4080 and either gone AMD or 4090. But like I said most if the market probably don't have the knowledge or do the research most people here do.

 

[ICDP]

The 4070 is probably the only card that actually isn't bad compared with previous gen.

Its 37% faster than the 3070, and it has 12GB of VRam.

The only sticking point is the price, the 3070 was $500, the 4070 is $600, but it is a much better GPU, i think had Nvidia met us in the middle with that one, $550, i think its a good GPU at a good deal.

At $400 you're just being deliberately obtuse.

I didn’t pay £1200 for my 4080, I got it used for £900 and had the 7900 XT been £700 at the time I would not have a 4080 at all. Again your imaginary prices have no basis in reality considering last gen prices along with inflation and the weaker pound.

Add about 15% onto last gen prices and you are in the ballpark for current value. That means the 3080 or 6800 XT replacement is about £700 - £750.

You are still falling into the trap of comparing AMDs 2nd tier to Nvidia's 2nd teir and declaring AMD the loser because it has less performance, yet ignoring the price. This is exactly what Nvidia want you to do. Your posts reek of complaining that "I want my Nvidia GPU cheaper and it's all AMDs fault for not being more competitive". You essentially want a 4080 for the price of a 7900 XT but wrongly blame the 7900 XT and XTX for not being good enough to force Nvidia to lower their 4080 and 4090 prices. That's on Nvidia and nothing to do with AMD and the very reason for this thread is asking "Just what is NVIDIA up to?".

 

[Jay85]

Yes I was shocked at the Steam survey stats after my previous post on this. Most people here seem to have avoided the 4080 and either gone AMD or 4090. But like I said most if the market probably don't have the knowledge or do the research most people here do.

People are still blinded tbh, just look at the Asus DIY group and you'll know its full of clueless people. a lot of it has to do with brand loyalty though, they will eat up whatever the brand has to offer blindly even if its overpriced garbage.