Just what is NVIDIA up to?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The XTX is $100 cheaper than the 6900XT was in 2020.

Yes it should have been called the 7800XT, yes it should have been $750 to begin with, AMD got wrapped across the knuckles for that.
For whatever reason it is now $750.

There is a saying, never apologies for anything, they just smell weakness and make it worse for you, Nvidia haven't budged an inch, AMD have, now everyone is out for AMD's blood while Nvidia sit back with popcorn laughing never apologise for anything.

AMD are a multi-billion USD company who existed for 50+ years. If they couldn't understand after so many "Another Marketing Disaster" moves,that a $900 RX7900XT was not going to be positively received then they are on strong Weed. They literally made the trash which is the RTX4080 12GB....sorry RTX4070TI 12GB look "better" at $800...how the heck did they manage that?
Everyone was laughing at Nvidia having to unlaunch the RTX4080 12GB,until AMD managed to make a card which looked worse value and had driver/power consumption issues.

On top of this all the rumours seem to indicate they produced lots of RX7900XT cards and expected it to sell well,when it cost more than the Nvidia competitor. Nvidia even with its brand strength doesn't seem to be selling many RTX4070TI cards either.

Then making the RX7900XTX look worse than it should have by lying about their non-upscaled performance improvements,hence giving Nvidia another bit of leeway(because they spun upscaled performance). This was after years of their official numbers being somewhat accurate,hence nobody will believe their dGPU marketing figures now.

Even things such as FSR3 - where is it?

None of us should apologise for their useless market research and their useless marketing. They keep making amateur hour mistakes and that is what is costing them.

 

[humbug]

I took that number from TPU but the average across the five reviews you've referenced is 39.4% performance increase vs. a 38% price increase.

Or - to put it another way - zero improvement in price/performance vs. the 6800XT.

$750 vs $650? That's 15%, tho it has been as low as $699, That's 7%.

 

[Calin Banc]

.Everyone is also comparing launch prices to the worst value SKUs of the previous generation,ie,RX6900XT/RX6950XT and RTX3090/RTX3090TI.

This QED

 

[humbug]

AMD are a multi-billion USD company who existed for 50+ years. If they couldn't understand after so many "Another Marketing Disaster" moves,that a $900 RX7900XT was not going to be positively received then they are on strong Weed. They literally made the trash which is the RTX4080 12GB....sorry RTX4070TI 12GB look "better" at $800...how the heck did they manage that?
Everyone was laughing at Nvidia having to unlaunch the RTX4080 12GB,until AMD managed to make a card which looked worse value and had driver/power consumption issues.

On top of this all the rumours seem to indicate they produced lots of RX7900XT cards and expected it to sell well,when it cost more than the Nvidia competitor. Nvidia even with its brand strength doesn't seem to be selling many RTX4070TI cards either.

Then making the RX7900XTX look worse than it should have by lying about their non-upscaled performance improvements,hence giving Nvidia another bit of leeway(because they spun upscaled performance). This was after years of their official numbers being somewhat accurate,hence nobody will believe their dGPU marketing figures now.

Non of us should apologise for their useless market research and their useless marketing. They keep making amateur hour mistakes and that is what is costing them.

Yes but that's no longer true, its 14% faster and $50 cheaper.

 

[Aegis]

$750 vs $650? That's 15%, tho it has been as low as $699, That's 7%.

Do you honestly think the 6800XT would have stayed at it's launch MSRP if it had been launched to the exact same reception the 7900XT got?

If the 6800XT followed a similar trend to the 7900XT (16% decline in 7 months) it would've hit around $545.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yes but that's no longer true, its 14% faster and $50 cheaper.

Yet almost all the reviews are at the original price. So when a noob looks for a review,guess what they see? The original reviews.This happened so many times before. AMD hasn't learnt anything from making first impressions count. Nvidia has useless launches too,but AMD has far more problematic launches,which are mostly because of amateur hour mistakes.

I thought they had learnt their lesson about poor QA/QC on their coolers with Fury X. But they ended up having the issue with the RX7900 series? What is with AMD and having stock cooler issues? Even the RX5700XT had it:

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The R9 290X was one of the greatest dGPUs ATI/AMD produced and they messed the launch up. The whole meme of "hot" and "throttling" stuck until AMD relaunched the same dGPU as the R9 390 but properly. They nearly messed up Polaris too,with various issues.

What types of people are they using for market research? Or marketing? Or testing stock coolers? Its like they don't learn anything from prior experience. They do it so often,that Nvidia issues get masked by AMD and its own set of avoidance problems.

 

[humbug]

Do you honestly think the 6800XT would have stayed at it's launch MSRP if it had been launched to the exact same reception the 7900XT got?

If the 6800XT followed a similar trend to the 7900XT it would've hit around $545.

Well it didn't, its was $50 cheaper than the 3080 and reviewers, people were generally ok with that.

I've always said the 7900XT was a rebranded 7800XT and too expensive at $900.

AMD can't retroactively change the name, but it is $150 cheaper now.

So whats the argument at this point?

 

[humbug]

@CAT-THE-FIFTH AMD's marketing is abysmal, we know that, it always has been.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

@CAT-THE-FIFTH AMD's marketing is abysmal, we know that, it always has been.

They need to do something about this. Its not good enough.

All this money and time spent,only for marketing/market research to mess up the tiers,and for their QA/QC people not to be able to properly test their coolers? Then day one reviews,yet again showing some issue with AMD cards. Nvidia is so engrossed with AI,AMD has a big wide open goal to aim at. Lets see what they do with the RX7700/RX7800 series and if their marketing has learnt anything. I have very low expectations.

How is penny pinching helping them make a return on their investment? How is being in some weird marketing echo chamber helping? If they want to be seen "as not a budget brand" then they need to be playing their best game. If not they need to play the pricing game from day one. As they say in Cricket,catches win matches. Even the best team in the world can loose if they drop most of their catches.

 

[ICDP]

I took that number from TPU but the average across the five reviews you've referenced is 39.4% performance increase vs. a 38% price increase.

Or - to put it another way - zero improvement in price/performance vs. the 6800XT.

HUB's testing (today) only showed a 2.5% increase vs. the launch driver BTW (or 2fps @4k)

So what bit about inflation and the worse exhange rate since Nov 2022 until now did you not get? Or are you seriously trying to say they mean nothing and should not be considered?

The 7900 XT had very poor launch prices but as it sits right now, it is priced right in line with the 6800 XT when inflation and exhange rates are considered.

 

[humbug]

The title of this thread is "just what are Nvidia up to?" has been turned in to how can we keep beating on AMD even after they have capitulated, not even in a thread desgined to challenge some of Nvidia crap do people challenge Nvidia's crap, its used to beat on AMD.

They need to do something about this. Its not good enough.

All this money and time spent,only for marketing/market research to mess up the tiers,and for their QA/QC people not to be able to properly test their coolers? How is penny pinching helping them make a return on their investment? How is being in some weird marketing echo chamber helping? If they want to be seen "as not a budget brand" then they need to be playing their best game. If not they need to play the pricing game from day one. As they say in Cricket,catches win matches. Even the best team in the world can loose if they drop most of their catches.

Yeah, i know its like banging your head against a wall but i'm not sure i would want AMD's marketing to get too good.

Generally AMD make a lot of mistakes, if they have a negative impackt on us we let them know and mostly they try to put it right even if they are doing that because its forced, but i don't agree with everything that these tech jurnoes try to "influence" Starfield not having DLSS? Good, cry me a river Nvidia fans, you're the only ones effected and DLSS is part of the problem, Nvidia think its added value, a lot of added value and you lot can't even bring yourselves to challenge that, so #### you...

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yeah, i know its like banging your head against a wall but i'm not sure i would want AMD's marketing to get too good.

Generally AMD make a lot of mistakes, if they have a negative impackt on us we lets them know and mostly they try to put it right even if they are doing that because its forced, but i don't agree with everything that these tech jurnoes try to "influence" Starfield not having DLSS? Good, cry me a river Nvidia fans, you;re the only ones effected and DLSS is part of the problem, Nvidia think its added value, a lot of aadded value and you lot can't even bring yourselves to challenge that, so #### you...

That DLSS stuff with Starfield was more slow news day nonsense IMHO. I really don't give a crap about upscaling E-PEEN wars - best way for AMD to solve it is launch FSR3 with Starfield,and actually launch a decently priced RX7700/RX7800 series and they will get decent sales.

It's quite clear Nvidia is all about AI now,so AMD has a huge chance to get more sales especially with games such as Starfield(providing its not crap).

 

[Aegis]

Well it didn't, its was $50 cheaper than the 3080 and reviewers, people were generally ok with that.

I've always said the 7900XT was a rebranded 7800XT and too expensive at $900.

AMD can't retroactively change the name, but it is $150 cheaper now.

So whats the argument at this point?

We're going in circles here.

Still, FYI - the lowest price I could find for a *new* 6800XT in the US is $500 - vs. the $770 of the 7900XT that makes the 7900XT 54% more expensive for (according to ICDP) 39.4% more performance.

Yeah. Great value

 

[humbug]

We're going in circles here.

Still, FYI - the lowest price I could find for a *new* 6800XT in the US is $500 - vs. the $770 of the 7900XT that makes the 7900XT 54% more expensive for (according to ICDP) 39.4% more performance.

Yeah. Great value

Oh, you're talking about end of life pricing, ffs.... not even going to engage.

 

[Aegis]

Oh, you're talking about end of life pricing, ffs.... not even going to engage.

And you were talking about launch pricing vs. 7 months in a stagnant market..? Anyway - we're done

 

[GhostDog1981]

And you were talking about launch pricing vs. 7 months in a stagnant market..? Anyway - we're done

And you were talking about launch pricing vs. 7 months in a stagnant market..? Anyway - we're done

 

[Joxeon]

The XTX is $100 cheaper than the 6900XT was in 2020.

Yes it should have been called the 7800XT, yes it should have been $750 to begin with, AMD got wrapped across the knuckles for that.
For whatever reason it is now $750.

There is a saying, never apologize for anything, they just smell weakness and make it worse for you, Nvidia haven't budged an inch, AMD have, now everyone is out for AMD's blood while Nvidia sit back with popcorn laughing never apologize for anything.

i think it’s because people have already given up caring about Nvidia cards this generation, they are a joke at this point.

 

[gpuerrilla]

So what bit about inflation and the worse exhange rate since Nov 2022 until now did you not get? Or are you seriously trying to say they mean nothing and should not be considered?

The 7900 XT had very poor launch prices but as it sits right now, it is priced right in line with the 6800 XT when inflation and exhange rates are considered.

Yep its a shame the latest drivers didn't really bump games across the board instead of the couple HU found on their latest video. Its about where the 6800XT sat same time in the pandemic launch where sensible folk should also cash in and move on the game for another ££ off.

 

[ICDP]

We're going in circles here.

Still, FYI - the lowest price I could find for a *new* 6800XT in the US is $500 - vs. the $770 of the 7900XT that makes the 7900XT 54% more expensive for (according to ICDP) 39.4% more performance.

Yeah. Great value

The sign of a poor loser. Never responds to valid and objective points being made, just keeps moving the goalposts so they don’t have to admit they are wrong.

Not once did you or Joxeon even concede that the worse exchange rate and UK inflation are a factors in pricing.

 

[ICDP]

i think it’s because people have already given up caring about Nvidia cards this generation, they are a joke at this point.

I would also add that Nvidia don’t care what people think. Is it arrogance or complacency, or just condescension towards their forever forgiving fan base. Even now people are falling for the “the more you pay the more you save” crap.