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Just what is NVIDIA up to?

KompuKare said:
Anyway:
PS3 (2006) > PS4 (2013) = 7 years. 230 GLOPS >> 1,840 GLOPS ( x8)
PS4 (2013) > PS5 (2020) = 7 years. 1,840 GFLOPS >> 10,300 GFLOPS ( x 5.6)
So PS6 by 2027?
Well Moore's Law is more or less dead, so while ordinarily we might expect about the same again (x5 to x8) which should give us 10,300 * 6 or (61,800 GFLOPS so pretty close to RTX 4090), I suspect it will be less.

And for realistically all out RT even the 4090 is too slow. I'm sure some clever design will help (current RT is pretty much brute force after all), for those who want everything to be RT-only... PS7?

Purists wishing to ditch all the raster tricks are being totally unrealistic anyhow. Problem is that most RT I have tried has looked worse even if occasionally a bit more realistic. (I personally play games for fun not to look at 95% black screens no matter who realistic that might be - also don't fancy having my retina burned when a 95% black screen suddenly has a 1,500 NIT explosion.)
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The PS5 Pro is apparently going to have 60CUs so that is already going to be better than all current sub £500 cards.
 
KompuKare said:
Anyway:
PS3 (2006) > PS4 (2013) = 7 years. 230 GLOPS >> 1,840 GLOPS ( x8)
PS4 (2013) > PS5 (2020) = 7 years. 1,840 GFLOPS >> 10,300 GFLOPS ( x 5.6)
So PS6 by 2027?
Well Moore's Law is more or less dead, so while ordinarily we might expect about the same again (x5 to x8) which should give us 10,300 * 6 or (61,800 GFLOPS so pretty close to RTX 4090), I suspect it will be less.

And for realistically all out RT even the 4090 is too slow. I'm sure some clever design will help (current RT is pretty much brute force after all), for those who want everything to be RT-only... PS7?

Purists wishing to ditch all the raster tricks are being totally unrealistic anyhow. Problem is that most RT I have tried has looked worse even if occasionally a bit more realistic. (I personally play games for fun not to look at 95% black screens no matter who realistic that might be - also don't fancy having my retina burned when a 95% black screen suddenly has a 1,500 NIT explosion.)
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Sounds like you're just getting old. RT is amazing and makes a nice difference in many games. Playing on a 4090, LG OLED with RT & HDR enabled is a sight to behold, it's progress.

Think back to when you were younger, you were probably excited when 1080P came around. There were people then saying that 720P was good enough, that it was more important to have fun. Well you can certainly enjoy the gameplay while also enjoying the visuals.
 
RT can also make devs lazy, useing raster you have to be artistic and with that could add some artistic flare to your scene to make it look good.

With RT you light your scene by checking a radio button and leave it at that.

I feel sorry for lighting artists.
 
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Dave2150 said:
Sounds like you're just getting old. RT is amazing and makes a nice difference in many games. Playing on a 4090, LG OLED with RT & HDR enabled is a sight to behold, it's progress.

Think back to when you were younger, you were probably excited when 1080P came around. There were people then saying that 720P was good enough, that it was more important to have fun. Well you can certainly enjoy the gameplay while also enjoying the visuals.
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Yes RT and 4K is amazing but sadly most of developers got lazy in terms of graphics. Recently the only thing that made me go WOW is Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, the rest of new titles show nothing we didn't see before or titles poorly optimized looking like far cry 3. Have you seen Gollum in 4K
 
Dave2150 said:
Think back to when you were younger, you were probably excited when 1080P came around. There were people then saying that 720P was good enough, that it was more important to have fun. Well you can certainly enjoy the gameplay while also enjoying the visuals.
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In my day you didn't need no stinking 720p, you'd be grateful with 480p....Ahh dem were the days...now get off my grass. ;)
 
Morfinel said:
Yes RT and 4K is amazing but sadly most of developers got lazy in terms of graphics. Recently the only thing that made me go WOW is Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, the rest of new titles show nothing we didn't see before or titles poorly optimized looking like far cry 3. Have you seen Gollum in 4K
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Most established studios are just looking for a quick $ turnaround, which has its benefits, you get a new game from them once every 1 or 2 years, but they are all small in scope, ambition and frankly playability.

Proper games, or what i like to call games are not made in 1 or 2 years.
Cyberpunk, 9 years.
MSFS 2020, 8 years.
Starfiled, 7 years
Star Citizen, 7 years and counting in open development.
 
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Murphy said:
In my day you didn't need no stinking 720p, you'd be grateful with 480p....Ahh dem were the days...now get off my grass. ;)
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I'm no spring chicken. My first PC monitor was a 17" LG Flatron CRT (1280 x 1024). I still get excited about new tech though, moving to 4K on a LG OLED an insanely good experience. HDR, RT on a 4090 is just amazing. It's just a shame the prices are now absolutely mental.
 
Dave2150 said:
I'm no spring chicken. My first PC monitor was a 17" LG Flatron CRT (1280 x 1024). I still get excited about new tech though, moving to 4K on a LG OLED an insanely good experience. HDR, RT on a 4090 is just amazing. It's just a shame the prices are now absolutely mental.
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When will LCD's refresh as fast as CRT's?
 
humbug said:
RT can also make devs lazy, useing raster you have to be artistic and with that could add some artistic flare to your scene to make it look good.

With RT you light your scene by checking a radio button and leave it at that.

I feel sorry for lighting artists.
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They will still have work. You still need to add light sources to the scene to make sure everything looks good.
 
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humbug said:
And 8 Zen 4 cores.

Also 16GB VRam, wooop give it 2 years an your 12GB GPU's are now like 8GB of today.

AMD's fault..... well technically, i guess :D
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But but but
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It's a joke, relax. Not like someone stole from you, unless you count the vram that was suppose be on that shiny new graphics card of yours.
 
humbug said:
RT can also make devs lazy, useing raster you have to be artistic and with that could add some artistic flare to your scene to make it look good.

With RT you light your scene by checking a radio button and leave it at that.

I feel sorry for lighting artists.
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That's the future and it will only get more automated

Artists will be the first to lose their jobs. Have you seen how well UE5 creates massive dynamic worlds at the press of a button? That's all your artists gone. AI will create most of the graphics for games going forward
 
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Rtx4080 becomes available at MSRP, gets sold out in minutes

Why you guys like that, the 4080 is the worst Nvidia gpu on the market but gets sold out

videocardz.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 again drops to $999, goes out of stock within minutes - VideoCardz.com

ZOTAC RTX 4080 $999 deal shows overwhelming demand for cheaper RTX Almost every month, there is a notable price drop on high-end GPUs, but these reductions are short-lived. Recently, the RTX 4080 experienced another price cut, falling below the $1000 threshold. However, last month, the MSI...
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