Just what is NVIDIA up to?

[Murphy]

Im not so sure that nvidia are offloading ray tracing to software. Its done in hardware. Nvidia have superior hardware hence why performance is better as well as better efficiency.
Unless my understanding of efficiency is wrong and amd using more power and giving less performance means its more efficient?

Please elaborate

Where did you get the idea that i said or even implied they're offloading ray tracing to software.

I've not watched the video @Aegis posted but (s)he seems to have got the gist.

e: Oh it's the HUB one, TBH IDK about the performance impact of it. What i was referring to was, like i said, when i looked into it around a decade or so ago. I tried looking into warp schedulers again a few months ago but with limited time i kept finding out they're a thing rather than why they're a thing and how AMD (used to) not need them because of how the different architectures are designed.

 

[Joxeon]

Still a bad deal compared with the 6800XT's you've got for £499 though (let alone the 6950XT for £599).

I don’t think the 6800XT/6950XT for £499/599 are particularly good deals in their own right but are just made to look good by how bad Nvidia is right now.

 

[Aegis]

I don’t think the 6800XT/6950XT for £499/599 are particularly good deals in their own right but are just made to look good by how bad Nvidia is right now.

Prices could always be better (especially given the age of these 6000-series cards now) - but the 6800XT is 4% slower than the 3080 and the 6950XT is 12% faster (according to TPU) so I don't think that £500-£600 is *terrible* pricing for that performance (especially with both cards having 16GB).

Oh, and according to TPU the 4070 is 6% slower than the 3080. That's just sad

 

[humbug]

Prices could always be better (especially given the age of these 6000-series cards now) - but the 6800XT is 4% slower than the 3080 and the 6950XT is 12% faster (according to TPU) so I don't think that £500-£600 is *terrible* pricing for that performance (especially with both cards having 16GB).

Oh, and according to TPU the 4070 is 6% slower than the 3080. That's just sad

At 4K yes, it can only match an RX 6800XT which in its day was only $50 more expensive with 16GB.

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[Grim5]

Well looks like nvidias performance crown wont ever be toppled:

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2 grand high end incoming

And the high end will start at the 60 series

And when I say high end I mean high end price not performance and if Nvidia continues on its current track the 60 series will be 720p gaming cards

 

[queamin]

$500 discount?

No, a container full spatchers

 

[gpuerrilla]

At 4K yes, it can only match an RX 6800XT which in its day was only $50 more expensive with 16GB.

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Just confirms stagnation at the lower end. Well they could have offered a stronger package but here we are..

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

20GB GDDR6X UNIFIED RAM they are stating in rumoured spec.

This specs look juicy. Don’t worry I’m certain the devs will still be targeting 4K30
Not sure what that means for PCMR though

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

I think Murphy is referring to the scheduler - AMD GPUs have a hardware scheduler, Nvidia implements it through their drivers/software - it's supposedly why Nvidia's drivers require more CPU resources than AMD's do.

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It also gives Nvidia a smaller GPU die as the hardware scheduler is scaled back/removed. The missing transistors also means a reduction in power though that is probably offset by the increase workload by the CPU.

 

[Murphy]

It also means they have to spend more on software development, like i said there's advantage and disadvantages to both methods.

 

[GhostDog1981]

This specs look juicy. Don’t worry I’m certain the devs will still be targeting 4K30
Not sure what that means for PCMR though

I’m sure this means even 16gb gpus will struggle at 4K with textures etc. 20gb will be cutting it fine and 24gb will be comfortable.

 

[willhub]

I think at some point we're going to reach parity with consoles and then it's game over (almost), but this was never the way it was meant to be played.

 

[Grim5]

I’m sure this means even 16gb gpus will struggle at 4K with textures etc. 20gb will be cutting it fine and 24gb will be comfortable.

Rtx5090 expected to be a 32gb card so should just be enough

Rtx5060 probably be 10gb though

 

[JediFragger]

All you donks trying to predict the future, it's funneh

 

[KompuKare]

And the high end will start at the 60 series

And when I say high end I mean high end price not performance and if Nvidia continues on its current track the 60 series will be 720p gaming cards

Yes.
It used to be that with a new gen it was expected that you'd at least more each tier up one level: the new x70 would match the previous generation's x80, and so on.

Nowadays numbers still move each generation, but they've reversed things: now the new x80 might match the previous generation's x70!

Although for that it will offer some exclusive software feature which for "reasons" cannot run on the previous generation.

1080P > 720P > 480P > 320P*

And there you are: back at the resolution of 16-bit or even 8-bit home computers from the 80s!

* Don't forget that due to magical AI, that 320P well look better than 2160P for those wearing ENC glasses. (ENC? Think of famous Hans Christian Andersen story.)

 

[decto]

* Don't forget that due to magical AI, that 320P well look better than 2160P for those wearing ENC glasses. (ENC? Think of famous Hans Christian Andersen story.)

Don't forget the fake frames, probably 1 real frame in 6 by then.

Who knows, perhaps they can just play a video of someone decent and I'll eat crisps and drink beer instead....

 

[Calin Banc]

This specs look juicy. Don’t worry I’m certain the devs will still be targeting 4K30
Not sure what that means for PCMR though

You still have Xbox Series S with only 8GB available to the devs (that is both vRAM and RAM), so that is the bottleneck more than a decent PC - of course, if we're not talking about bad ports.

Hopefully, a stronger console will translate into more advanced graphics (inclusing RT, of course), so PC can still have a benefit from this.

Despite the new (possible) refresh, the consoles are still holding back gaming.

 

[KompuKare]

Don't forget the fake frames, probably 1 real frame in 6 by then.

Who knows, perhaps they can just play a video of someone decent and I'll eat crisps and drink beer instead....

Or a return to Laserdisc games like Dragons Lair. Freedom to press a set sequence of buttons at the exact right time. That takes real skill so only the bestests players with elite gear can pay to win.

On they other hand, famous players playing "with" you for sponsorship might catch on in this age of the YouTube stars. "With you" of course being "for you"with almost no interactivity and plenty of fake frames.

 

[Calin Banc]

The "fake frames" really touched a nerve for some )

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

You still have Xbox Series S with only 8GB available to the devs (that is both vRAM and RAM),

That thing is still alive? Do any devs actually care about it?