COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

Philtor said:
Has Covid not mutated to be a virus of no concern now?

It never goes away but mutates into a much weaker (and less deadly) virus?

I never got the vaccine. I did get Covid last xmas however.

Thought I was finished. I struggled to roll over in bed even. Felt like a 90 year old.

No issue with breathing thankfully but was completely floored with no energy. Never experienced anything like it.
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No. The Omicron variants are basically identical in terms of virility, they just keep selecting for immune evasion these days.

What is happening is the general population's immune systems are at the point where they're adapting to covid, and hence why despite all these new immune escape variants, it struggles to come anywhere close to the waves we used to see, as large amounts of the population have immunity.

However, the baseline infection rate is still extremely high.
 
pallys said:
Isn't his motto follow the data?

Try to watch him through through the lens as someone who is sharing data because that's all he's doing. Then play the ball not the man, I.e. if you a problem then criticise the data he presents, which is not even his btw.

I find him very useful because he provides updates on what the data is saying, e.g. excess deaths and videos of how governments in Oceania are really not happy with the covid drug providers.

Heres an example where if it wasn't for Campbell many people would not know of these challenges by authorities, because our msm or authorities will not even discuss it.

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Simple questions for Pfizer

Link the full video from the Australian Government, https://www.aph.gov.au/News_and_Events/Watch_Read_Listen/ParlView/video/1585181?utm_source=substack&utm_m...
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You are misinforming, whether deliberate or just ignorant. He no longer does relevant risk comparisons. Without those, you're effectively lying.

Videos on myocarditis which don't mention comparisons of cases and severity per 100k basis for those who have contracted covid vs vaccinated only. He just throws out adverse effects raw numbers from the vaccines, which is misinformation and he knows it. Presenting raw data in such a manner is exactly how these nutjobs operate. Campbell tasted the money, and started to pander to them. He's no longer a trustworthy source.

EDIT: Had to go look for it again, but here:

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com www.reddit.com

This is a list of a bunch of actual medical doctors debunking various BS claims he has made.
 
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Tephnos said:
Exactly the same could be said for COVID. So why is it always about the vaccines?
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"This paper, we explore the scientific literature suggesting that vaccination with an mRNA vaccine initiates a set of biological events that are not only different from that induced by infection but are in several ways demonstrably counterproductive to both short- and long-term immune competence and normal cellular function."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9012513/#:~:text=In

Its a long read but have a look at the conclusion at least. There's 3 points made I found interesting.

"In this paper, we call attention to three very important aspects of the safety profile of these vaccinations. First is the extensively documented subversion of innate immunity, primarily via suppression of IFN-α and its associated signaling cascade. This suppression will have a wide range of consequences, not the least of which include the reactivation of latent viral infections and the reduced ability to effectively combat future infections.

Second is the dysregulation of the system for both preventing and detecting genetically driven malignant transformation within cells and the consequent potential for vaccination to promote those transformations.

Third, mRNA vaccination potentially disrupts intracellular communication carried out by exosomes, and induces cells taking up spike glycoprotein mRNA to produce high levels of spike-glycoprotein-carrying exosomes, with potentially serious inflammatory consequences. Should any of these potentials be fully realized, the impact on billions of people around the world could be enormous and could contribute to both the short-term and long-term disease burden our health care system faces."
 
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Tephnos said:
You are misinforming, whether deliberate or just ignorant. He no longer does relevant risk comparisons. Without those, you're effectively lying.

Videos on myocarditis which don't mention comparisons of cases and severity per 100k basis for those who have contracted covid vs vaccinated only. He just throws out adverse effects raw numbers from the vaccines, which is misinformation and he knows it. Presenting raw data in such a manner is exactly how these nutjobs operate. Campbell tasted the money, and started to pander to them. He's no longer a trustworthy source.

EDIT: Had to go look for it again, but here:

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com www.reddit.com

This is a list of a bunch of actual medical doctors debunking various BS claims he has made.
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As ever, for every pro Campbell there will be anti Campbell and similarly every pro doctors listed in those posts, will be counters etc...

It doesn't matter really, nearly everything you read online whether from a doctor or not can be misconstrued and generally on social media used to serve an agenda.

The best way to see through all of it is to read medical papers (if you have access to them, and if you really can be bothered) but frankly for the majority of people, they just don't care and just want to crack on with their lives.
 
pallys said:
"This paper, we explore the scientific literature suggesting that vaccination with an mRNA vaccine initiates a set of biological events that are not only different from that induced by infection but are in several ways demonstrably counterproductive to both short- and long-term immune competence and normal cellular function."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9012513/#:~:text=In

Its a long read but have a look at the conclusion at least. There's 3 points made I found interesting.

"In this paper, we call attention to three very important aspects of the safety profile of these vaccinations. First is the extensively documented subversion of innate immunity, primarily via suppression of IFN-α and its associated signaling cascade. This suppression will have a wide range of consequences, not the least of which include the reactivation of latent viral infections and the reduced ability to effectively combat future infections.

Second is the dysregulation of the system for both preventing and detecting genetically driven malignant transformation within cells and the consequent potential for vaccination to promote those transformations.

Third, mRNA vaccination potentially disrupts intracellular communication carried out by exosomes, and induces cells taking up spike glycoprotein mRNA to produce high levels of spike-glycoprotein-carrying exosomes, with potentially serious inflammatory consequences. Should any of these potentials be fully realized, the impact on billions of people around the world could be enormous and could contribute to both the short-term and long-term disease burden our health care system faces."
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People will now cite dozens of counters to this paper, and you'll end up in a circular argument.

The best thing to do is to take the evidence (from both sides) and make your mind up and make a choice depending on what aligns with you and what you feel is right based on the evidence you've read.

You're never going to please people all of the time, I've learned to just ignore the anti vaxxers and ignore the vaxxer elite/armchair experts and stick to my open mind in the middle, and generally ignoring the noise and sticking to the expertise that I have access to. I don't evangelise anything these days, there's no point if someone asks me for my opinion, I'll give a very broad one and then just change the subject.
 
pallys said:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9012513/#:~:text=In
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"Food Chem Toxicol.". That's a strange journal for something on vaccines and immunity to be published in. Wonder why it's there?

Let's look at the authors. One guy that's an AI researcher who pushed the myth that vaccines cause autism, one guy lists his affiliation as with a naturopathy institute which was started an "intensive naturopathic oncology clinic". Huh, I wonder what this "Truth for Health Foundation" that the senior author lists affiliation with is? I wonder whether we can find their website: oh. Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear. 5G crankery. "Vaccine injury report" as one of their topline links.

This is a paper produced by cranks.

Funnily enough, the Wiki page on Food Chem Toxicology lists multiple responses to this "paper", this looks to be the most accessible.
 
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Tephnos said:
You are misinforming, whether deliberate or just ignorant. He no longer does relevant risk comparisons. Without those, you're effectively lying.

Videos on myocarditis which don't mention comparisons of cases and severity per 100k basis for those who have contracted covid vs vaccinated only. He just throws out adverse effects raw numbers from the vaccines, which is misinformation and he knows it. Presenting raw data in such a manner is exactly how these nutjobs operate. Campbell tasted the money, and started to pander to them. He's no longer a trustworthy source.

EDIT: Had to go look for it again, but here:

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com www.reddit.com

This is a list of a bunch of actual medical doctors debunking various BS claims he has made.
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You have to take your hat off to him, he saw a way to make major £ and took it. But considering he is a trained nurse he should be ashamed that he is pushing out nonsense that can affect people's health if they believe him. I expect US doctors to put $ above patient health but not UK health workers, even if he is retired.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
You have to take your hat off to him, he saw a way to make major £ and took it. But considering he is a trained nurse he should be ashamed that he is pushing out nonsense that can affect people's health if they believe him. I expect US doctors to put $ above patient health but not UK health workers, even if he is retired.
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I don't think he's an out and out grifter, I think he actually believes the rubbish he spouts. He's just an old guy going down the rabbit hole of nonsense, based on an overblown belief in his own abilities.
 
pastymuncher said:
Wifey tested positive last night after feeling ill all day. She's all jabbed up so it's pretty mild which is lucky as she is asthmatic. No symptoms for me yet and with any luck I won't get it but we will see in a few days time. The irony is we are booked in to get our 5th boosters in three weeks.
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Just did another test on both of us and now I have it too. In my case it's very very mild and nowhere as bad as she is feeling or looking, I just hope it stays that way as I have to crack on with the bathroom refresh.
 
UTmaniac said:
Goalposts for a winter vaccine jab moved, won't be offered as standard to over 50s this year.

www.bbc.co.uk

Winter Covid vaccines axed for under-65s

Only those aged 65 and over or in at-risk groups should be invited for jab, say UK experts.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Oh FFS. Just when theres a new variant doing the rounds and NHS waiting lists get longer and longer lets pile even more pressure on it this winter. Thanks our govt thanks a bunch.
 
Since having COVID twice & four doses of vaccine...

I've lost all my hair - auto immune
Have pernicious anemia - auto immune

And as a bonus... Prostate cancer

I'll still be having my next dose of vaccine though :D
 
Mr Jack said:
"Food Chem Toxicol.". That's a strange journal for something on vaccines and immunity to be published in. Wonder why it's there?

Let's look at the authors. One guy that's an AI researcher who pushed the myth that vaccines cause autism, one guy lists his affiliation as with a naturopathy institute which was started an "intensive naturopathic oncology clinic". Huh, I wonder what this "Truth for Health Foundation" that the senior author lists affiliation with is? I wonder whether we can find their website: oh. Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear. 5G crankery. "Vaccine injury report" as one of their topline links.

This is a paper produced by cranks.

Funnily enough, the Wiki page on Food Chem Toxicology lists multiple responses to this "paper", this looks to be the most accessible.
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Yeah, that's the thing. There are a lot of papers out there, but you need to look into where they're published (thoroughness of peer review) and who authored them.
 
maschio said:
I cannot understand why nurse john campbell has not had his channel removed by youtube with all the mis/disinformation and lies he spouts on a daily basis:( Youtube are usually on the ball with this kind of thing
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They've put a covid "warning" in his channel comments. And he just repeats publicly available information. If you disagree either report it or ignore it. There are far worse things on YouTube that lead to bigger societal issues than something about an ex-pandemic.
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Oh FFS. Just when theres a new variant doing the rounds and NHS waiting lists get longer and longer lets pile even more pressure on it this winter. Thanks our govt thanks a bunch.
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They announced it up here last week as well. It's just ridiculous. Luckily my wife and I already had our appointments confirmed for next month. She in the at risk group but I am not. Pretty irrelevant at the moment though as we both caught the damn thing. That's the bloody Polish at her work coming in when they have got it again!!
 
maschio said:
I cannot understand why nurse john campbell has not had his channel removed by youtube with all the mis/disinformation and lies he spouts on a daily basis:( Youtube are usually on the ball with this kind of thing
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He's had at least one strike in the past. If you think its misleading then they can be reported ;)
 
Duke said:
He's had at least one strike in the past. If you think its misleading then they can be reported ;)
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I think it's really unfair that youtube allow him to host a channel with near on 3 million subscribers (most likely all bots) who post thousands of agreeable comments on each of his videos so he can spout his grifting, money making nonsense.

As soon as i can disprove his obvious lies i shall be reporting him.
 
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