Strict GPU Budget

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I have an absolute max of £300 to spend on a new GPU, Im looking to upgrade for Starfield from my current GTX 980.

I have the ability to get either of the following:
  • Nvidia 3070 Founders Edition8GB GDDR6 for £281
  • MSI AMD RX 6700XT Mech 2X OC 12GB for £275
  • Gigabyte 3070 Gaming OC 8GB GDDR6 for £289
  • POwerColour AMD RX 6700XT Fighter 12GB for £269
I'm confused as to which would get the best bang for my buck and longevity, I know they're not cutting edge but would like them to last for a few years at least. Im teaming them up with the below specs:

MSI MAG B365m Mortar Micro ATX Motherboard
Intel Core i5 8400 @ 2.80GHz
be quiet! BN302 System Power 9 600W CM PSU
32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR4
2x Samsung SSD 870 EVO 500GB
NZXT H510 Case (whichever will fit into this!)
LG HDR WQHD 34" Ultra-Wide (3440x1440@60Hz)
 
The 7600 is a weaker card overall by a decent shot compared to the 6700XT, unless you really need newer features or the lower power consumption, the 6700XT is the way forward here I think.

IMO if you're not too worried about Raytracing, the 6700XT is the no brainer, and you won't get VRAM induced stutter as quickly in newer titles.

As someone who has a 3070, I'd still take a 6700XT and the Starfield Premium code at this point in time (call that worth say £30-40 rather than the inflated release price and the 6700XTs still start to look very good value by comparison at this point), especially as games have started to hit the 8GB VRAM cap. This is even more of an issue with Raytracing, which tends to consume more memory and bandwidth, further negating the point of the 3070 having better raytracing, as the VRAM buffer means it'll run into barriers there also, artificially capping it's performance.

I saw a video a while ago which used a 3070 that had been custom modified to have 16GB VRAM, and performance was noticeably better, highlighting Nvidia artificially kneecapped the card in terms of future titles, in an aim to reduce costs and provide greater market segmentation. The 10GB on the 3080 was equally egregious and was an obvious way to reduce its long term lifespan, although thanks to the additional 2GB VRAM, it's not quite as constrained or hit its wall quite as soon and will last that bit longer.

That said the 6800XT seems to be starting to hold greater long term value vs the 3080 thanks to the higher VRAM pool. DLSS and Raytracing are really nice to have features, but they're certainly not must haves when your basic rasterisation performance is taking hits, and part of the reason DLSS helps here is simply because it is running the game at lower resolution, therefore reducing VRAM requirements at times.

Right now, with games already breaching the 8GB limit, I'd be looking for a card with more if spending over £250 full stop, and AMD still haven't gotten the 7800XT out, leaving the 6700XT or 6750XT the only real contenders unless you NEED DLSS/CUDA.

From memory, the 6700XT is similar in hardware configuration to the Xbox Series X GPU, and slightly ahead of the PS5. Ignoring the custom designs for the consoles, the fact that it is the closest comparative to the faster current console, means it is likely to be usable for some time yet.
 
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I'd definitely go for the 6700xt in this scenario, particularly as they come with free starfield codes atm.
7600 as well, slightly faster than the 6700xt but less ram. Though you likely won't need the extra.
I think most reviews peg the 7600 as significantly slower than the 6700xt, putting it more equivalent to the 6650xt.
 
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New or used prices ?

Ray tracing important to you then the 3070..
These are used prices, i wont say from where in case its not allowed on the forums. Never even considered the Ray Tracing option, does it really make that much of a difference?

So looks like the consensus is to go for the 6700xt then, even though according to the GPU heirarchy in the GPU section of the forum that model falls beneath the 3070?

To be honest, a lot of the reason I was going for the 3070 FE was because of the look of it, i think its really cool.
 
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So looks like the consensus is to go for the 6700xt then, even though according to the GPU heirarchy in the GPU section of the forum that model falls beneath the 3070?

That's out of date, you'll find the 6700xt far more stable in more modern titles/higher resolution/higher textures.
 
These are used prices, i wont say from where in case its not allowed on the forums. Never even considered the Ray Tracing option, does it really make that much of a difference?

So looks like the consensus is to go for the 6700xt then, even though according to the GPU heirarchy in the GPU section of the forum that model falls beneath the 3070?

To be honest, a lot of the reason I was going for the 3070 FE was because of the look of it, i think its really cool.

Raytracing CAN look fantastic when its done well, but the performance impact when running a more demanding implementation is just unrealistic for good overall performance for the vast majority of GPUs available right now. It has massive potential, but I wouldn't worry about it for at least the next few years. Due to the fact that GPUs are not up to it, a lot of the implementations right now are also rather poor, which really does somewhat negate the whole point.

The only game I regularly play where Raytracing really adds something is Darktide with Raytracing on medium or higher where it really adds to the ambience (better lighting, smoke effects, you name it which really adds to the grimy, grim ambience), but even with my 3080, performance isnt really consistent enough for me to leave it enabled for long periods of time on anything more than low, and more often than not I just disable it as my performance almost doubles at points.

And yes, as Budforce, also a 3080 and 3070 owner (and 3070TI 8GB mobile, basically a 3060ti), and I'm still recommending a 6700XT over a 3070. The only real advantage the 3070 has is DLSS, but I'd take better long term performance/minimum FPS without spikes, over DLSS :)

As you are playing at Ultrawide, I'd also recommend the 6700XT, as the extra VRAM will be of more worth to you to try and enable 60Hz native as much as possible without VRAM induced stutter, more so than someone playing at 1080p, as you are running greater than QHD resolution.

Simply put if you equate for the Starforce code being worth around £40, and you wanted the game, the 6700XT costing equivalent of 229 is a no brainer compared to the 3070 at this point. VRAM requirements have moved past 8GB faster than many expected, and its now starting to impact. As you're running at greater than QHD resolution, that will start to have a major impact on your minimum FPS, if the games you play start to hit VRAM induced limits, and therefore VRAM stutter. It's not pleasant.
 
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Thanks for all the replies guys, looks like the 6700xt is the way then, looks like I might as well get the Sapphire model from here then if it comes with Starfield and pay the extra £30, at least i'll get a warranty that way.

Last question, will I be OK using my current PSU as its 600W?
 
I'd definitely go for the 6700xt in this scenario, particularly as they come with free starfield codes atm.

I think most reviews peg the 7600 as significantly slower than the 6700xt, putting it more equivalent to the 6650xt.

Oops yea I was looking at the wrong one. I think the 7600 will improve though with driver updates, it's still very new. My Vega64 ended up noticeably better than it started off.

All depends what your aim is though, if you are happy with 60+FPS at 1080 or 1440 then all of these will do that.
 
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Thanks for all the replies guys, looks like the 6700xt is the way then, looks like I might as well get the Sapphire model from here then if it comes with Starfield and pay the extra £30, at least i'll get a warranty that way.

Last question, will I be OK using my current PSU as its 600W?
You'll be absolutely fine as Alec says unless your PSU has really degraded badly. Should be fine :)

You should see a pretty massive performance boost though, I don't really like youtube comparisons as many of them are fake, but the 6700XT is generally twice as fast or more in many titles, sometimes heading off towards three times, which is kinda mad.
This video with the 980Ti vs a 6700XT kinda gives you an idea of the sort of GPU based difference you're talking:
This video has 1440p results where the 6700xt moves even further ahead than 1080p:

You may actually find your CPU starts to become your limiting factor NOT the GPU, but as you're playing at high res, but 'only' 60Hz, I think you'll find a generally substantial improvement as CPU performance becomes more of an issue at high refresh rate (and don't go down that line unless you want to find it hard to go back!!) :)

Let us know how you get on :)

Pulse cards are also usually pretty quiet as a bonus!!

PPS you should get Starfield Premium rather than Standard with the 6700XT which is nice, the release price is something stupid like £70, albeit I only rate it as £30-40 of value as mentioned above. Still, the card looks great new with warranty at ~£260 after game compared to the competition if you see some value, or £230 if you'd been intending to buy Starfield Premium at full price on release!
 
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Thanks for all the replies guys, looks like the 6700xt is the way then, looks like I might as well get the Sapphire model from here then if it comes with Starfield and pay the extra £30, at least i'll get a warranty that way.

Last question, will I be OK using my current PSU as its 600W?
Good choice and PSU will be fine.

Enjoy.
 
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