Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Shame the same can't happen to Pootin.
He can hardly assassinate himself now, can he.
Yeah, do the coop or don't, don't stop half way. That's what confused me about when he stopped. But I guess politics/who knows
Like all rebellions he underestimated the support he would collect along the way once he realised that the country wasn't going to rise up in support he panicked and tried to pretend he was only making a statement and was only aiming for the russian head of the military which no-one believed a word of there was no mistaking Putin's anger and from that moment he was a marked man. Putin likes his dishes served cold, real cold. Ironic for Putin's former chef
Oof, looks like he might have got his. If it was an assination, why do they bother going to such lengths? Poisonings, air crashes, etc, surely there's easier ways. Unless it's to make a statement.
Russian elections next year. The message is: don't mess with Putin it could hardly be more blatant.
 
The head of the snake has been cut off and they lost a lot of their hardware when they got stopped last time, I don't rate their chances of success that highly here.

Will be watching developments with interest though all the same.
I wonder if Wagner had a deadmans switch in place after the March on Moscow failed that gave something like a billion dollars to the one who takes out Putin. Don't need tanks, missiles and the likes if 5,000 assassins are out to get one guy. Yeah I know it’s right out of John Wick but I find it hard to believe prig didn’t arrange something like this.. I would..
 
He can hardly assassinate himself now, can he.

Like all rebellions he underestimated the support he would collect along the way once he realised that the country wasn't going to rise up in support he panicked and tried to pretend he was only making a statement and was only aiming for the russian head of the military which no-one believed a word of there was no mistaking Putin's anger and from that moment he was a marked man. Putin likes his dishes served cold, real cold. Ironic for Putin's former chef

Russian elections next year. The message is: don't mess with Putin it could hardly be more blatant.

I’m not sure this is good for Putin because it means months of questions and open conspiracies. A nice low profile death or abduction in Africa would have been much less conspicuous.
 
Like all rebellions he underestimated the support he would collect along the way once he realised that the country wasn't going to rise up in support he panicked and tried to pretend he was only making a statement and was only aiming for the russian head of the military which no-one believed a word of there was no mistaking Putin's anger and from that moment he was a marked man. Putin likes his dishes served cold, real cold. Ironic for Putin's former chef

I don't think he was anticipating the whole country rising up in support (though Wagner did get plenty of support in Rostov on Don), the default stance of many Russians is kind of complacency re: that sort of thing, even the senior police officials seemed to be willing to stand aside and it wasn't clear what various Russian Army units were willing to do.

If you look back at all his public statements even right before his Wagner march to Moscow he was always kicking off about the Chief of the General staff and the defence minister, not Putin. Though when Putin clearly still backed his defence minister and the head of the armed forces Wagner then had a dilemma and that's when the whole deal with Lukashenko was apparently brokered.

It looks like lots of the more "patriotic" Russians are not happy about him being killed though, he's still seen as a hero to them. I also wonder how this will impact Wagner activities in Africa, this has taken out some other senior leaders from the group too.
 
Uh oh...

If this is what I think it is it could be a crazy old day today!

Just reported on the BEEB

"4:46

Ukraine says Wagner convoys appear to be heading to Russia

Citing unnamed Belarusian sources, Ukraine's National Resistance Center is saying that some Wagner convoys appear to be heading towards Russia.
"The convoys are probably heading in the direction of the border with Russia, but the Belarusian special forces are trying to prevent their vehicles from leaving," it said in an update on Wednesday, hours after after the plane crash.
The BBC is not able to independently verify this."
 
The head of the snake has been cut off and they lost a lot of their hardware when they got stopped last time, I don't rate their chances of success that highly here.

Will be watching developments with interest though all the same.

Something I find a bit odd is that the way Prigozhin has acted since the insurrection seems particularly dumb/naive compared to the planning which went into it, though it makes sense if to Prigozhin his beef was with the army heads and not Putin and didn't appreciate that Putin won't distinguish between the two. Prigozhin's insurrection was played smart, up to a point, he had forces leap frogging ahead, air-defences in play against the expected response, instead of building a big crowd and hoping it would swell (though that was part of the tactic) as it closed in on the seat of power as many coops do he used the larger force as a distraction with smaller teams already in place to capitalise on and/or disrupt the response.

If he'd planned to go all the way I think he'd have probably succeeded as the Russian authorities don't seem to have planned for it or known quite how to react and took a long time to get their act together.

I also think a possibility is that there is someone with power and influence in Russia who was protecting him and if he'd just slunk off and abided by the agreement(s) he'd have probably been left alone but he kept on going back to Russia, kept on trying to get involved with affairs, etc.

Or there is still something we are missing, though I suspect Putin bumping him off is a far more likely explanation than some larger theatre/conspiracy.

But coming back to what you were saying - it was played smart last time, so I couldn't entirely count them out the game but I suspect the people behind that planning are likely now deceased and Wagner seems to have been stripped of a lot of the hardware which enabled it last time.
 
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Something I find a bit odd is that the way Prigozhin has acted since the insurrection seems particularly dumb/naive compared to the planning which went into it, though it makes sense if to Prigozhin his beef was with the army heads and not Putin and didn't appreciate that Putin won't distinguish between the two. Prigozhin's insurrection was played smart, up to a point, he had forces leap frogging ahead, air-defences in play against the expected response, instead of building a big crowd and hoping it would swell (though that was part of the tactic) as it closed in on the seat of power as many coops do he used the larger force as a distraction with smaller teams already in place to capitalise on and/or disrupt the response.

If he'd planned to go all the way I think he'd have probably succeeded as the Russian authorities don't seem to have planned for it or known quite how to react and took a long time to get their act together.

I also think a possibility is that there is someone with power and influence in Russia who was protecting him and if he'd just slunk off and abided by the agreement(s) he'd have probably been left alone but he kept on going back to Russia, kept on trying to get involved with affairs, etc.

Or there is still something we are missing, though I suspect Putin bumping him off is a far more likely explanation than some larger theatre/conspiracy.

But coming back to what you were saying - it was played smart last time, so I couldn't entirely count them out the game but I suspect the people behind that planning are likely now deceased and Wagner seems to have been stripped of a lot of the hardware which enabled it last time.
From memory, and a very simple view as there will no doubt be many layers in play here.

But re the coup or uprising or whatever I got the impression it was stopped as the Chechen army wanted to put down the coup, or try to.

It just came across to me that when those forces were en-route to engage Wagner everything kind of stopped.
 
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