Yet about 20 years behind the same US bombs that manage to routinely kill civilians
Seeing that you bring this up again knowing it’s complete nonsense, the Russian Afghan war seen as many as 600,000 Afghans killed most of them civilians.
Yet about 20 years behind the same US bombs that manage to routinely kill civilians
I'm surprised they didn't want to tow it off and study it. Maybe it wasn't close enough to their lines to risk it.
Just look like Russian's wasting ammunition on an already destroyed tank.
I'd agree it was probably an artillery shell however for reference a Lancet can go through the top of a C2 turret.If you pause the video near the end there's a big hole in the turret which I'd wager is damage from a artillery shell. I can't see a Lancet going through C2 armour even where it's thinner but it may have stuck it afterwards.
I'd agree it was probably an artillery shell however for reference a Lancet can go through the top of a C2 turret.
We know this for a few reasons: Firstly the lancet uses two types of warheads, a HE one for soft targets and a shaped demo charge for anti-armour. Secondly the shaped charge warhead has comparable penetration to a top end RPG-7. Thirdly the RPG-7 can penetrate an Abrams turret from elevation (above). Finally an Abrams has better turret armour than a C2.
"As you can see" - no, I could hardly see bugger all in that video
This is the Challenger in the video the other day I think
routinelyYet about 20 years behind the same US bombs that manage to routinely kill civilians
Maybe, I've seen Lancets hit a T80 and a Panzerhaubitze and both vehicles drove off with minimal damage which suggests they lack firepower but after reading your post that might be down to the warhead used.I'd agree it was probably an artillery shell however for reference a Lancet can go through the top of a C2 turret.
We know this for a few reasons: Firstly the lancet uses two types of warheads, a HE one for soft targets and a shaped demo charge for anti-armour. Secondly the shaped charge warhead has comparable penetration to a top end RPG-7. Thirdly the RPG-7 can penetrate an Abrams turret from elevation (above). Finally an Abrams has better turret armour than a C2.
Sadly if I remember correctly the 215mm number comes from one obscure source with little other information other than dimensions.I don't know if there have been any refinements since this war kicked off but the shaped charge warhead on the Lancet, at least in original incarnation, isn't that good - it is based off a general purpose industrial design and not optimised for punching through tank armour - on paper capable of around 200mm penetration but against tank armour likely less than that - IIRC the C2 turret armour is rated to over 200mm at the weakest (assuming no upgrade package - which the Ukrainian ones don't seem to have) - so hit and miss if it would penetrate.
I'll be honest I don't know what any of that means, but the source seemed more competent than the rando 215mm claim xDV = 10,000 m/s D = 0.112 m ρ = 8,050 kg/m3 σ = 1750 Pa t = 1 P = (D * √(ρ * V)) / (σ * t)P = (0.112 m * √(8,050 kg/m3 * 10,000 m/s)) / (1750 Pa * 1 m)P ≈ (0.112 m * √(80,500,000 kg*m/s2)) / (1750 Pa * 1 m)P ≈ (0.112 m * 8985.28 m/s) / 1750 PaP ≈ 0.573 meters or approximately 573 millimeters of penetration.
Sadly if I remember correctly the 215mm number comes from one obscure source with little other information other than dimensions.
The real penetration value for the KZ-6 demolition charge is ~570mm on RHA (rolled homogeneous armor) assuming the shaped charge liner is steel which it appears to be. Somebody more versed in munitions actually calculated it out:
I'll be honest I don't know what any of that means, but the source seemed more competent than the rando 215mm claim xD
Sadly if I remember correctly the 215mm number comes from one obscure source with little other information other than dimensions.
The real penetration value for the KZ-6 demolition charge is ~570mm on RHA (rolled homogeneous armor) assuming the shaped charge liner is steel which it appears to be. Somebody more versed in munitions actually calculated it out:
I'll be honest I don't know what any of that means, but the source seemed more competent than the rando 215mm claim xD
God damnit, now Russia are getting weapons from Mexico!?!Can translate. Very mucho localised bango.
This is the Challenger in the video the other day I think