Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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I'm surprised they didn't want to tow it off and study it. Maybe it wasn't close enough to their lines to risk it.

Pretty sure it wasn't that near the front line (I haven't seen a geolocation and timing of the estimated front though).

Apart from some Russian counter attacks in Robotyne that have gained ground, they lost ground immediately after, so they wouldn't even had a chance to grab disabled kit.
 
If you pause the video near the end there's a big hole in the turret which I'd wager is damage from a artillery shell. I can't see a Lancet going through C2 armour even where it's thinner but it may have stuck it afterwards.
I'd agree it was probably an artillery shell however for reference a Lancet can go through the top of a C2 turret.

We know this for a few reasons: Firstly the lancet uses two types of warheads, a HE one for soft targets and a shaped demo charge for anti-armour. Secondly the shaped charge warhead has comparable penetration to a top end RPG-7. Thirdly the RPG-7 can penetrate an Abrams turret from elevation (above). Finally an Abrams has better turret armour than a C2.
 
I'd agree it was probably an artillery shell however for reference a Lancet can go through the top of a C2 turret.

We know this for a few reasons: Firstly the lancet uses two types of warheads, a HE one for soft targets and a shaped demo charge for anti-armour. Secondly the shaped charge warhead has comparable penetration to a top end RPG-7. Thirdly the RPG-7 can penetrate an Abrams turret from elevation (above). Finally an Abrams has better turret armour than a C2.

I don't know if there have been any refinements since this war kicked off but the shaped charge warhead on the Lancet, at least in original incarnation, isn't that good - it is based off a general purpose industrial design and not optimised for punching through tank armour - on paper capable of around 200mm penetration but against tank armour likely less than that - IIRC the C2 turret armour is rated to over 200mm at the weakest (assuming no upgrade package - which the Ukrainian ones don't seem to have) - so hit and miss if it would penetrate.
 
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Yet about 20 years behind the same US bombs that manage to routinely kill civilians
routinely
/ruːˈtiːnli/
adverb
  1. as part of a regular procedure rather than for a special reason.
    "large-scale producers routinely vaccinate their birds against the disease"
    • frequently and without proper consideration of the consequences.
      "owners routinely flout local laws about restraining and picking up after their pets"

Figured I'd link that for you as it seems you weren't aware what the word means. In fact I'll go one extra and give you some contextual examples!

1: Russia have been routinely killing civilians in Ukraine, just like Russia and Assad routinely killed civilians in Syria.

2: There were a number of regrettable civilian casualties in the first and second coalition actions against Saddam Hussain, however in both cases they were routinely avoided and comparatively low for an operation of that size.
 
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I'd agree it was probably an artillery shell however for reference a Lancet can go through the top of a C2 turret.

We know this for a few reasons: Firstly the lancet uses two types of warheads, a HE one for soft targets and a shaped demo charge for anti-armour. Secondly the shaped charge warhead has comparable penetration to a top end RPG-7. Thirdly the RPG-7 can penetrate an Abrams turret from elevation (above). Finally an Abrams has better turret armour than a C2.
Maybe, I've seen Lancets hit a T80 and a Panzerhaubitze and both vehicles drove off with minimal damage which suggests they lack firepower but after reading your post that might be down to the warhead used.
 
I don't know if there have been any refinements since this war kicked off but the shaped charge warhead on the Lancet, at least in original incarnation, isn't that good - it is based off a general purpose industrial design and not optimised for punching through tank armour - on paper capable of around 200mm penetration but against tank armour likely less than that - IIRC the C2 turret armour is rated to over 200mm at the weakest (assuming no upgrade package - which the Ukrainian ones don't seem to have) - so hit and miss if it would penetrate.
Sadly if I remember correctly the 215mm number comes from one obscure source with little other information other than dimensions.

The real penetration value for the KZ-6 demolition charge is ~570mm on RHA (rolled homogeneous armor) assuming the shaped charge liner is steel which it appears to be. Somebody more versed in munitions actually calculated it out:

V = 10,000 m/s D = 0.112 m ρ = 8,050 kg/m3 σ = 1750 Pa t = 1 P = (D * √(ρ * V)) / (σ * t)P = (0.112 m * √(8,050 kg/m3 * 10,000 m/s)) / (1750 Pa * 1 m)P ≈ (0.112 m * √(80,500,000 kg*m/s2)) / (1750 Pa * 1 m)P ≈ (0.112 m * 8985.28 m/s) / 1750 PaP ≈ 0.573 meters or approximately 573 millimeters of penetration.
I'll be honest I don't know what any of that means, but the source seemed more competent than the rando 215mm claim xD
 
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Sadly if I remember correctly the 215mm number comes from one obscure source with little other information other than dimensions.

The real penetration value for the KZ-6 demolition charge is ~570mm on RHA (rolled homogeneous armor) assuming the shaped charge liner is steel which it appears to be. Somebody more versed in munitions actually calculated it out:


I'll be honest I don't know what any of that means, but the source seemed more competent than the rando 215mm claim xD

Can translate. Very mucho localised bango.
 
Sadly if I remember correctly the 215mm number comes from one obscure source with little other information other than dimensions.

The real penetration value for the KZ-6 demolition charge is ~570mm on RHA (rolled homogeneous armor) assuming the shaped charge liner is steel which it appears to be. Somebody more versed in munitions actually calculated it out:


I'll be honest I don't know what any of that means, but the source seemed more competent than the rando 215mm claim xD

The ~200mm claim is based on the actual performance of the industrial application (EDIT: Not seen it quoted as specific as 215mm before), what it is actually capable of on the Lancet is a bit of an unknown but the results so far in the Ukraine war suggests ~200mm is probably likely.

EDIT: I don't think it was designed specifically as a tank killer either - it seems to have been designed for general purpose demolition against dug in fortifications and light armour in general.
 
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Turns out Russia can't handle a counterattack on the ground or on Twitter xD

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Though I'm not sure whether they'd survive a mine any better, one of the reasons I've not liked the seeming use of these CR2s without any kind of additional armour package.
 
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