Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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ubersonic said:
As somebody mentioned a few pages back, Russia are restarting T-80 production, but what wasn't really known until now is why.

At first glance, committing scarce resources to restarting a production line that shut down 30+ years ago when you don't even have the parts on hand sounds ludicrous. Especially when you're still making T-72 and T-90 tanks, but there is method to the madness.

If they tried to increase T-72 or T-90 production they would have to create a whole new production line for a tank (I say a tank as the T-90 is itself a T-72 variant, renamed for marketing purposes) they're already struggling to get the parts for, but because the T-80 is an upgraded version of the Ukrainian T-64, it shares less parts than the T-72 and T-90. By restarting the T-80 line they open up alternative avenues for parts and it means they can salvage parts from T-64/80 tanks in storage that are unrepairable to fill in the short fall. Obviously the old line will not be reactivated overnight.

Another reason behind it is that while we never really hear of Russian successes in this war, they do occasionally have them. And one of their big-er successes thus far has been the introduction of the BMPT "Terminator", which is essentially a modern successor to the ZSU-23-4 (which is still in service today with many ex-Soviet states/allies, inc Ukraine). They have now upgraded this design into the BMPT-72 "Terminator 2" which uses a T-72 hull. This means that every new or modernized T-72/T-90 that rolls out the factory could have been a BMPT-72, and right now they want them more than they want extra T-72/T-90 tanks.

For anyone who hasn't seen one of these, image a T-72 with the turret replaced by four NLAWs and a dual autocannon, plus in uncharacteristic Russian fashion the optics to make it usable. So no harder to destroy than a T-72/T-90, but much more lethal on a modern battlefield.

So yeah, we knew that was happening but now we also know why.
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Have you got proof for the Terminator working well?
The reports I have heard from more than once source is that its pretty much a scatter gun in effect. Its not stabilised so the moment the autocannon opens up it loses all targetting accuracy.
Of course NLAWs are useful outside that, but then they are generally more deadly in the hands of infantry.
 
Drukk said:
I don't think the whole story is being told here, one missile missed and one fell off the wing? Seems highly unlikely. They are not that unreliable.
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I cant help of thinking Russian planes are all as good a Firefox, that movie with Clint eastwood..... Think in Russian......
 
Drukk said:
I don't think the whole story is being told here, one missile missed and one fell off the wing? Seems highly unlikely. They are not that unreliable.
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Actually, the whole Russian Military is unreliable, underfunded and unstable ...do I need to ask you where Russia's only Aircraft carrier is and what its future capability is? Its Zero, it caught fire and a was a rusting hulk and will never be repaired ... ever.

But Drukk, you have not even heard the Russian side of things, yet ... you decided to defer to thinking the Russian aggressors were the innocents ... you need to go look at different conspiracy stuff, honestly.

Drukk ... think about it mate.
 
StriderX said:
Does he now?

Then why is he taking Defence contracts?
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Supplying ordinance directly to the military so they can buy and use themselves is a different kettle of fish to loaning the use of civilian equipment to assist directly in an ongoing war. Especially in the eyes of a poisonous nutter who'll see him as fair game in this scenario.
 
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kitch9 said:
Supplying ordinance directly to the military so they can buy and use themselves is a different kettle of fish to loaning the use of civilian equipment to assist directly in an ongoing war. Especially in the eyes of a poisonous nutter who'll see him as fair game in this scenario.
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Don’t you go bringing a rational argument to this!

Be off with you!
 
Guys I genuinely know my aircraft mostly hey I fly DCS a lot :) but and YES I never knew of the Rivet Joint name ( I live and learn) ... did a google, and yes it seems that is Jokingly term for that Aircraft that was attacked by the two Russian SU-27 Aggressors towards it, so if we can please leave that issue aside for the moment please?

The fact remains and this is the main issue ... an RAF Aircraft was targeted and SHOT at while in international airspace and a rouge ammature Russian pilot with inept ambiguous ground instructions was reprimanded from his own wingman too.

I am genuinely sad so many here think this is a big Joke. and the RAF where in the wrong :)

WShat6s going on now is for real, its not a Computer Game.

WW1 started over far less.
 
One point I'd make is I don't think the RAF were in the wrong. I said I thought they dealt with it well.

I'm not defending the Russian that shot at him, he's clearly an idiot. Like you say, his own wingman gave him hell for doing it, and you would expect serious reprimands on their side - whether that happens, who knows?

This isn't a joke, it is real life, and because it was dealt with in the manner it was, a potentially critically dangerous situation was defused.
 
One 48 said:
Guys I genuinely know my aircraft mostly hey I fly DCS a lot :) but and YES I never knew of the Rivet Joint name ( I live and learn) ... did a google, and yes it seems that is Jokingly term for that Aircraft that was attacked by the two Russian SU-27 Aggressors towards it, so if we can please leave that issue aside for the moment please?

The fact remains and this is the main issue ... an RAF Aircraft was targeted and SHOT at while in international airspace and a rouge ammature Russian pilot with inept ambiguous ground instructions was reprimanded from his own wingman too.

I am genuinely sad so many here think this is a big Joke. and the RAF where in the wrong :)

WShat6s going on now is for real, its not a Computer Game.

WW1 started over far less.
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I dont really care who was in the wrong, we dont have ww3 today so however it happened, who shot first, who flew somewhere they shouldnt, it doestn matter. Both sides were in the right, the otherside was wrong.
You will only know our side of the story was right and justified.
Those missions are just a game of chicken for both sides, its pretty ridiculous and sad tbh.
 
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One 48 said:
I am genuinely sad so many here think this is a big Joke. and the RAF where in the wrong :)
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Perhaps quote your sources? Because nothing I've read seems to be trivialising the matter.

However, we've seen numerous events over the course of this war where Russians have stoked NATO. Not too long ago they destroyed a US Reaper drone, and have recently fired missiles into Romania.

They want NATO to get involved and picture themselves as the victim of western agression and imperialism.
 
One 48 said:
Guys I genuinely know my aircraft mostly hey I fly DCS a lot :) but and YES I never knew of the Rivet Joint name ( I live and learn) ... did a google, and yes it seems that is Jokingly term for that Aircraft that was attacked by the two Russian SU-27 Aggressors towards it, so if we can please leave that issue aside for the moment please?

The fact remains and this is the main issue ... an RAF Aircraft was targeted and SHOT at while in international airspace and a rouge ammature Russian pilot with inept ambiguous ground instructions was reprimanded from his own wingman too.

I am genuinely sad so many here think this is a big Joke. and the RAF where in the wrong :)

WShat6s going on now is for real, its not a Computer Game.

WW1 started over far less.
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ok answer 2.

So we should have started WW3 knowing that our good boys were right and those russians were really bad all along?

This isn't a game you know and i play a lot of MW2. So i know my "no russian"
 
One 48 said:
Actually, the whole Russian Military is unreliable, underfunded and unstable ...do I need to ask you where Russia's only Aircraft carrier is and what its future capability is? Its Zero, it caught fire and a was a rusting hulk and will never be repaired ... ever.

But Drukk, you have not even heard the Russian side of things, yet ... you decided to defer to thinking the Russian aggressors were the innocents ... you need to go look at different conspiracy stuff, honestly.

Drukk ... think about it mate.
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How have I said the Russian's were the innocents? I've not said anything of the sort, all I've said is I think it highly unlikely 2 missiles failed by missing and falling off the wing and that was quoted through a technical reason, I'm not stating right or wrongs at all. You have a strange way of interpreting peoples posts. As for conspiracy stuff, well you've completely lost me there, what exactly am I supposed to be thinking about?

As for the seriousness of the situation, I'm well aware if that missile had hit we might not all be sitting here today posting stuff on a forum. I'm well aware how this could deteriorate and I want it over the same as any other sane person out there for all our families futures.
 
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Drukk said:
How have I said the Russian's were the innocents? I've not said anything of the sort, all I've said is I think it highly unlikely 2 missiles failed by missing and falling off the wing. You have a strange way of interpreting peoples posts. As for conspiracy stuff, well you've completely lost me there, what exactly am I supposed to be thinking about?
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Yep. What we have been told is simply a story, which is close enough to the truth to be believable, but with facts left out or altered just enough to make it acceptable to the public so there are no calls for escalation. The last thing anyone needs is a rogue pilot triggering NATO entering the war. That really could end in a bad situation.
 
Moat of bahkmut is levelled, so evidence will be hard. His confession is possibly the only evidence we have so far. (Related to these exact incidents I mean).
 
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Nate75 said:
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The story doesn't even make sense, guy is asked where Uldarev is and where the quotes come from and replies "idk". I swear people will literally believe anything you tell them Russia did.

Uldarev says he shot 20-24 people out of 300-400 people, so that means there's a few hundred witnesses still alive who can attest to what happened, why haven't they spoke out?
 
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Background:

  • On 17 April, Russian Azamat Uldarov, who until recently led one of the mercenary units, in a conversation with founder of the Russian human rights project Gulagu.net, told the journalists about the terrible crimes he and other mercenaries had committed in Ukraine on the orders of the PMC leader Evgeny Prigozhin.
  • In particular, he confessed to killing up to 400 Ukrainians in the basement of a nine-storey building in Bakhmut, Donetsk Oblast.
  • The day after that, Uldarov retracted his words, accusing journalist Vladimir Osyechkin of blackmail.
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news.yahoo.com

Former soldier of Wagner PMC beaten up and detained by Prigozhin's mercenaries after confessing to killing children in Ukraine

Azmat Uldarov, former mercenary of the Wagner Private Military Group [PMC], who confessed to killing Ukrainian children, was detained by Russian security services and beaten up by Wagner mercenaries. Source: Gulagu.
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???

Probably true.

Good propaganda use by random twitter accounts.
 
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