Is petrol / diesel going to better than money in the bank?

Why not start up a cottage industry offering to top up electric vehicles overnight on the off peak tariff rate for a small fee.
That is money in your hand, never mind the bank.

Our off peak rate is a fraction of the daytime rate so there should be scope for an earner.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Given the contretemps in the middle east and the probability fuel prices will rise yet further are motorists going to stock up on petrol and / or diesel? I just bought 410 litres of red diesel for the generator, and the truck has 110 + gallons of white diesel in the tanks. Not sure if I should fill all the cars, dead and alive, given the prospect petrol is a better bet than cash in the bank? Anyone going to "invest" in fuel at this moment?
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Didnt know you were a farmer or a fisherman Chris? Pretty sure the only people who can legally buy and use red diesel are those two?
 
Abraxaz1 said:
Are we gonna ignore the whole shelf life of modern fuels?

Petrol in its current incarnation is like 3months in perfect temperature/atmosphere before it breaks down and you have like a year for diesel.

I doubt op has a cooled container system that is purged with nitrogen
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My bike spends at least 6 months every year living outside with a tank full of petrol and is absolutely fine when it comes to firing it up for MOT time in the spring.

3 months seems a little low.
 
Kenai said:
I don't think it's quite that restricted - i think it's ok for domestic heating or power still
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Heating homes yes, running generators no.

as of April 1st 2022, any generators found using red diesel will be breaking the law.
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Hell, I am not even allowed to buy red diesel for my tractor anymore as I dont qualify as a farmer :(
 
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Greebo said:
Heating homes yes, running generators no.



Hell, I am not even allowed to buy red diesel for my tractor anymore as I dont qualify as a farmer :(
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I think domestic generators are ok still

2.4 Machines and appliances for heating and electricity​

Machines and appliances being used primarily to generate heat and electricity for premises that are not used for commercial purposes can use red diesel.

A kerosene heating system is an excepted machine when it is being used to generate heat for any premises.

These uses are explained in section 7 of this guide.
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7.12 ‘Generating electricity’ for premises​

Using a fixed or mobile generator to provide electricity for use in or on the premises.
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7.16 Premises not used for commercial purposes​

Domestic premises​

Premises that are mainly used as someone’s home are not used for commercial purposes. This also applies where someone’s home is also where they work.
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from: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-rebated-fuels-in-vehicles-and-machines-excise-notice-75
 
Greebo said:
Heating homes yes, running generators no.



Hell, I am not even allowed to buy red diesel for my tractor anymore as I dont qualify as a farmer :(
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I believe you are mistaken although clarity is rather hard to find with a cursory look. "Red diesel" can legally be used in England for electricity generation for domestic dwellings and also for tractors, domestic or commercial. I am technically, in the eyes of the law, a farmer though, as well as a mechanic, motor trader and a general nuisance.
 
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Bint Box said:
Why not start up a cottage industry offering to top up electric vehicles overnight on the off peak tariff rate for a small fee.
That is money in your hand, never mind the bank.

Our off peak rate is a fraction of the daytime rate so there should be scope for an earner.
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Thanks, but why can't the car owner have an off peak tariff meter installed themselves? Anyway, electric cars are an abortion and owned by sanctimonious Greens, not havin' none of them 'ere ;)
 
Chris Wilson said:
Thanks, but why can't the car owner have an off peak tariff meter installed themselves? Anyway, electric cars are an abortion and owned by sanctimonious Greens, not havin' none of them 'ere ;)
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It's a shame they used barbed hooks to capture you oldees.
 
Chris Wilson said:
I believe you are mistaken although clarity is rather hard to find with a cursory look. "Red diesel" can legally be used in England for electricity generation for domestic dwellings and also for tractors, domestic or commercial. I am technically, in the eyes of the law, a farmer though, as well as a mechanic, motor trader and a general nuisance.
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And despite myself owning a place with "farm" at the end, and having 5 acres of land, I am not legally classified as a farmer and I cant buy red diesel for my tractor anymore. You got a place like Diddly Squat then?
 
Wasn't there an epidemic once of suburban man filling up his garage with highly explosive fuel. If you own several acres of rolling Shropshire countryside (other counties are also available), OK but maybe not in a normal street. It could end up looking like Luton.
 
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Greebo said:
And despite myself owning a place with "farm" at the end, and having 5 acres of land, I am not legally classified as a farmer and I cant buy red diesel for my tractor anymore. You got a place like Diddly Squat then?
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I think Clarkson's farm is around 1000 acres, mine is just a smallholding, which is deemed a plot of under 50 acres. I think there's 17 to 20 acres here, a mix of fields and woodland. I have cattle. So as the owner of a registered smallholding I come under the umbrella of a farmer too. You could probably register your acreage as a smallholding too. There are pros and cons to consider though.
 
Hagar said:
Wasn't there an epidemic once of suburban man filling up his garage with highly explosive fuel. If you own several acres of rolling Shropshire countryside (other counties are also available), OK but maybe not in a normal street. It could end up looking like Luton.
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If the fuel is in vehicle fuel tanks its quantity is fine. I am not thinking of storing 100 one gallon cans of petrol in the lounge ;)
 
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Greebo said:
And despite myself owning a place with "farm" at the end, and having 5 acres of land, I am not legally classified as a farmer and I cant buy red diesel for my tractor anymore. You got a place like Diddly Squat then?
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Here's who can use red diesel, in what, and what for, from the horse's mouth:

www.gov.uk

Using rebated fuels in vehicles and machines (Excise Notice 75)

Find out when you can use rebated diesel, biodiesel or kerosene in vehicles and other machinery.
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If you have a tractor and part or all of the land is used for agriculture, even if it's to grow a few lettuces, you should be able to buy and legally run your tractor on red diesel. I just tell the girl on the the till at the garage to fill in the disclaimer form with whatever covers tractors and I scribble my X on it when I've filled the drum from the pump. Hell, people on here can buy an Uzi in ten minutes ;)
 
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