EV general discussion

[Simon]

From what I saw is that while they were on a 120/h or even unrestricted motorway at times but they were definitely not going that speed the entire time.

Up to 80mph is fair and they were not driving deliberately slowly but the average speed was considerably lower due the flow of traffic and the slower roads they used at the start.

You could probably work out the average speed if you were bothered as they probably showed the time when the left and arrived but they were not exactly accurate or professional reviewers….

Don’t claim range at 80mph All EVs get killed at 80mph for range. Lucky to be doing 3m/kwh

 

[Jonnycoupe]

From what I saw is that while they were on a 120/h or even unrestricted motorway at times but they were definitely not going that speed the entire time.

Up to 80mph is fair and they were not driving deliberately slowly but the average speed was considerably lower due the flow of traffic and the slower roads they used at the start.

You could probably work out the average speed if you were bothered as they probably showed the time when the left and arrived but they were not exactly accurate or professional reviewers….

It better than hinting at 80mph cuise consumption.

Work it out? surely the trip computer says. It's simple maths to make it data driven, its not a phD in car reviews. Data like that means people dont need to waste their life watching a videos of 'not exactly accurate or proffesional reveiwers', oh wait...

Anyone wanna do a range comparison between my F Type and my mums P250 E-Pace? I think the E pace is the better car as it goes further on a tank of fuel

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Don’t claim range at 80mph All EVs get killed at 80mph for range. Lucky to be doing 3m/kwh

At no point did I do that. I literally said they were driving slower than that.

I’d suggest rereading the thread to the point that video was posted.

It better than hinting at 80mph cuise consumption.

Work it out? surely the trip computer says. It's simple maths to make it data driven, its not a phD in car reviews. Data like that means people dont need to waste their life watching a videos of 'not exactly accurate or proffesional reveiwers', oh wait...

Anyone wanna do a range comparison between my F Type and my mums P250 E-Pace? I think the E pace is the better car as it goes further on a tank of fuel

They may well have covered it but I was half asleep on my train commute when I skimmed through it. But as you say, the fixed speed range rests are not exactly useful either, we all know it will vary wildly depending on a range of factors.

That said there is a certain level of irony though given both of us spend more time than is healthy posting in this thread…

No one cares about the range on an ICE car though. Although oddly enough Renault had range as a talking point in a 30 second Spotify ad for a clio hybrid - that was odd.

 

[jpaul]

A/B comparison between highland(er) and original version doing same route seems the right experiment, and do a radial grip test on the newer tyres.
(those michelin eco tyres I have to drive on occasionally don't feel the same as goodyear efficient grips)

LFP - If the technical issue on determining charge level for LFP can be improved w/o needing to charge to 100%, to unlock the additional lifespan they can have,
must be scope to make a market distinction on the warranty offered on them,

 

[Jonnycoupe]

At no point did I do that. I literally said they were driving slower than that.

I’d suggest rereading the thread to the point that video was posted.



They may well have covered it but I was half asleep on my train commute when I skimmed through it. But as you say, the fixed speed range rests are not exactly useful either, we all know it will vary wildly depending on a range of factors.

That said there is a certain level of irony though given both of us spend more time than is healthy posting in this thread…

Nah it’s the day job for me, not just a hobby.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

A/B comparison between highland(er) and original version doing same route seems the right experiment, and do a radial grip test on the newer tyres.
(those michelin eco tyres I have to drive on occasionally don't feel the same as goodyear efficient grips)

LFP - If the technical issue on determining charge level for LFP can be improved w/o needing to charge to 100%, to unlock the additional lifespan they can have,
must be scope to make a market distinction on the warranty offered on them,

You can call it facelift you know, #legacyauto style.

Rest of your post. Not idea what you are on about

 

[Simon]

At no point did I do that. I literally said they were driving slower than that.

I’d suggest rereading the thread to the point that video was posted.



They may well have covered it but I was half asleep on my train commute when I skimmed through it. But as you say, the fixed speed range rests are not exactly useful either, we all know it will vary wildly depending on a range of factors.

That said there is a certain level of irony though given both of us spend more time than is healthy posting in this thread…

No one cares about the range on an ICE car though. Although oddly enough Renault had range as a talking point in a 30 second Spotify ad for a clio hybrid - that was odd.

I meant they shouldn’t have not you. I didn’t even both watching videos. Nothing more tedious than listening to people talk about their trip and chargers. Just show the data

I care about range on my regular 186 mile motorway trip to my friends house which is annoying when I have to stop I’ve driven several EV. Born ipace. Model 3 LR. buzz and a EV6 gt line. The EV6 and the ipace are the only two who can do it without worrying. The two Tesla’s are knackered I think from fast charger /100% abuse. I’ll try taking one this weekend and hope it doesn’t rain.

No one cares about ICE range as it’s not an issue, mpg is and the cost is fixed where ever you fill up (to a point) Oddly not many seem to care about miles/kWh just range which tbh is a cost issue as more range = less expensive public charging vs cheap home/destination. (X10 factor sometimes).

Have an EV ‘what’s the range’
Have an ICE ‘what’s the mpg’

Not sure what’s unhealthy about posting?

 

[Penfold101]

Have an EV ‘what’s the range’
Have an ICE ‘what’s the mpg’

I hadn't noticed this, but it's absolutely true.

ICE - easy to fill up anywhere and takes 5 minutes, so you care more about the efficiency than the actual range.
EV - can be tricky to guarantee somewhere to recharge and it takes a while, so you care more about the range than efficiency.

 

[bigmike20vt]

i think its a fair comment to say that what a random person gets range wise out of a random journey in a car is largely irrelevant.

what i think is vitally important is what what journeys the perspective buyer make, combined with how they drive and what range they can expect throughout the year.... me personally i knew i didnt want to buy a car until i knew i could reliably make the journey from my house to my parents without having to charge en route. its 195 miles door to door..... in spring / summer / autumn this is an easy task...... on a cold frosty day in december or january i am not quite convinced but i guess i will find out soon.

The thing is......... that data is quite hard to work out so no one can really make a youtube video out of that...... as a rough worst case scenario I find the EV-database to be quite useful.

maybe in the future we will be able to go to a car website and upload the data for journeys we make ourselves , and that will then spit out specific figures for what energy different cars would have used for the exact journey and the exact time we did said journey.......... but AFAIK no sure site exists at the moment. In principle it seems feasible.

the random youtube videos, are just handy things to pass the time in the back ground when doing something else.

 

[Firestar_3x]

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[Demon]

Amateur Embedding as media saves the ads:

Looks good, price is about right, like the interior, a good contender for the ID.3/Borne segment.

 

[Haggisman]

maybe in the future we will be able to go to a car website and upload the data for journeys we make ourselves , and that will then spit out specific figures for what energy different cars would have used for the exact journey and the exact time we did said journey.......... but AFAIK no sure site exists at the moment. In principle it seems feasible.

The problem is there are so many variables that while you can have a "ballpark" figure, it's impossible to be completely accurate.

You'd need a map with elevation changes for the route, weather, temperature, wind direction, average speed by time of day, tyre pressure, etc.,

Most of the sites allow you to enter some of these (e.g. temperature, average speed), and elevation & average speed would probably be feasible to implement from existing datasets, but things like weather and wind direction are pretty much guesses, and can have quite a significant impact.

 

[Demon]

The problem is there are so many variables that while you can have a "ballpark" figure, it's impossible to be completely accurate.

You'd need a map with elevation changes for the route, weather, temperature, wind direction, average speed by time of day, tyre pressure, etc.,

Most of the sites allow you to enter some of these (e.g. temperature, average speed), and elevation & average speed would probably be feasible to implement from existing datasets, but things like weather and wind direction are pretty much guesses, and can have quite a significant impact.

And how do you legislate for a sudden storm? We went through Storm Ciaran and over a 35 mile journey did 1.8m/kwh with horizontal rain.. normally we'd be up at 3.8+..

I liked this real world example of why range isn't the be-all and end-all:

In other news, EV's aren't ready for the main stream yet: (Do not watch unless you want to throw things at the screen)..

If they'd have also included a Tesla with someone that can actually plan a journey that would have at least shown that EVs with careful planning are still more efficient than diesels even if only using Public chargers (Superchargers), but idiots should stay well clear.. especially ones so inept they are too lazy to destination charge and complain they are 90 minutes late every day because the first thing they have to do is charge their least efficient EV..

 

[bigmike20vt]

And how do you legislate for a sudden storm? We went through Storm Ciaran and over a 35 mile journey did 1.8m/kwh with horizontal rain.. normally we'd be up at 3.8+..

i got hit by the tail end of that as well......... at the start of my journey my car suggested i would have 9% charge left at my targetted charge point / lunch point (large charging hub at rugby)

however we hit the bad weather and over the course of under an hr the car re-evaluated, and was telling me i would only have 4% at my arrival......... and i still had 30 miles to go so i suspect it may have slipped even more.
the wife's complaints finally got too much for me so we bailed and had to stop off at our emergency stop point and never made it to Rugby.

 

[Penfold101]

i got hit by the tail end of that as well......... at the start of my journey my car suggested i would have 9% charge left at my targetted charge point / lunch point (large charging hub at rugby)

however we hit the bad weather and over the course of under an hr the car re-evaluated, and was telling me i would only have 4% at my arrival......... and i still had 30 miles to go so i suspect it may have slipped even more.
the wife's complaints finally got too much for me so we bailed and had to stop off at our emergency stop point and never made it to Rugby.

I like it when Google Maps in my Polestar recalculates due to roadworks and decides I will get to my destination with -10% of my battery left.

I don't think that's how they work...

 

[sandys]

I like it when Google Maps in my Polestar recalculates due to roadworks and decides I will get to my destination with -10% of my battery left.

I don't think that's how they work...

But Geely stuff runs on magic and unicorns when using Google, you would have made it, I left on a ~200 mile journey with something like ~260 range showing and completed with ~260 range showing with no fill ups, Guessometers eh

I know it was just the difference of city driving vs motorway, but it still amuses me that we can arrive somewhere after a couple of hours of driving and have more range than when we started.

 

[sandys]

Looks good, price is about right, like the interior, a good contender for the ID.3/Borne segment.

It is nice to look at and very comfy seats up front but needs a HUD/driver display.

 

[Deleted User 298457]

But Geely stuff runs on magic and unicorns when using Google, you would have made it, I left on a ~200 mile journey with something like ~260 range showing and completed with ~260 range showing with no fill ups, Guessometers eh

I know it was just the difference of city driving vs motorway, but it still amuses me that we can arrive somewhere after a couple of hours of driving and have more range than when we started.

This is my biggest gripe with the EV. I understand what's going on, but doesn't mean I have to like it

 

[bigmike20vt]

i have found my range estimate on my car to be fairly accurate.
admittedly like i said in my last post i didnt make it to the charge point i wanted to when coming back from my holiday........ but that was a combination of

1) 9% estimated charge remaining was cutting it a bit fine on a 160 mile motorway jaunt when starting with only 71% charge..
2) the weather massively went down hill mid journey. untill that happened i was on schedule to making it to the charging point still with 25 miles range left in the car.
3) Despite points 1 and 2 the car still said i would make it with and with only 30 miles to go i think i would have, but the buffer had dropped from 9% to 4%. With my wife and 7 year old in the car i would never have heard the end of it if i got it wrong.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I meant they shouldn’t have not you. I didn’t even both watching videos. Nothing more tedious than listening to people talk about their trip and chargers. Just show the data

Sorry about that, I’d thought you’d meant me!

Have you tried the P*2 yet? That seems like the obvious one missing off that list.

My neighbour just took delivery of the facelift version and it’s a nice machine.

I liked this real world example of why range isn't the be-all and end-all

They mentioned in the video the range plummeting on the MG4. From what I understand the battery gage on the MG4 isn’t linear in that the first 50% is bigger than the second 50%. That’s not exactly confidence inspiring.

This is my biggest gripe with the EV. I understand what's going on, but doesn't mean I have to like it

i have found my range estimate on my car to be fairly accurate.

Mine will only give you a guessometer if you program something into the nav and as it knows where you are going it’s pretty accurate. The rest of the time it’s just a % or a milage based on a fixed efficiency and the % remaining.