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had a good day out,
148km for a coffee and CInnamon bun in Windsor
and 3600cal burned witll help with weight loss program
Windsor park looks great at this time of the year
That's my stomping ground
I still detest the speed bumps they introduced on the hill in your photo (Breakheart Hill). It was super busy there yesterday - pedestrians and dogs all over the place mid afternoon.
agree, last time ive been here, there were not as many...That's my stomping ground
I still detest the speed bumps they introduced on the hill in your photo (Breakheart Hill). It was super busy there yesterday - pedestrians and dogs all over the place mid afternoon.
we were there around 11ish i think so wasn't that busy
my mate tried one guy with 2 frenchies...his dogs started jump up horses leg and bite it... one dog was kicked and stomped at..other kept jumping and biting..
owner was in tears , dog crying...
i blame the dog owner in park..if dogs won't listen to you , keep it on a leash...
still...hope nothing serious happened...
Yeah it's a road with a 38mph (weird right?) speed limit and there are tons of other paths in that park which aren't open to cyclists and motor vehicles - in fact they've been banning cyclists from quite a few paths in recent years. No need to have dog off the lead on the main thoroughfares through the park.
Got back at midnight from a long cycling weekend in Sitges, just south of Barcelona. Once again, some amazing roads, great climbs, awesome weather, and beautiful views. (Albeit a little windy at times!)
This last photo is along the C-31 towards Barcelona and is perhaps one of the prettiest roads I've cycled (maybe top 3 perhaps with Formentador in Mallorca and the balcony off Alp D'Huez) The only downside is it's very busy and you can cause quite a queue of cars behind you. As with most of Spain though, most drivers are very patient and very respectful, so not really a problem.
This last photo is along the C-31 towards Barcelona and is perhaps one of the prettiest roads I've cycled (maybe top 3 perhaps with Formentador in Mallorca and the balcony off Alp D'Huez) The only downside is it's very busy and you can cause quite a queue of cars behind you. As with most of Spain though, most drivers are very patient and very respectful, so not really a problem.
Just found out that new super six is 7mm lower and 4mm longer than my current setup..
That could work ? It's bit more than my budget but if I sell old s6...
Wow, been so manic with work the 'last few weeks' I hadn't made it back here... Only to realise my last visit was probably a month ago! Eeeek!
Which shoe covers are you using? Various different types, some more stretchy than others. Some less stretchy it's worth sizing up on. My current daily are Sealskinz, they're a fabric covered neopreyne so quite hard wearing but not very stretchy. I'm a size EU42 shoe so at top their 'Medium' sizing (39-42), but I wear a 'Large' and they're a good fit. Not baggy in the slightest and that is with 3 different shoes so not shoe specific. If anything they're more comfortable with boa shoes as less pressure, while also much easier to take on & off so less chance of damaging them by ripping tags/seams with regular use (I live in overshoes for at least 6-8 months of the year!)
Have a vCingles semi-planned at some point (3 ascents of Ventop) - 4500m & 100km within 24 hours & 1 activity. But will also extend it to include a vEverest (8848m, no sleep, TD100%). Which will certainly be over 12 hours for me...
I can talk while leading a TTT at this effort - https://www.strava.com/activities/10149533882 - as I'm 'lead' I have to call rotation and timings for the rest of the team... We even had conversations about the FRR Tour a couple of us had ridden as the organiser was along for the TTT with us. Then of course I have a crazy Belgian Navy/sailor guy along who is sometimes singing in a really bad accent! But do realise probably niche riders with 'unique' abilities
Still new rim brake bikes around.
Most rim brake road bikes (non-racing) would have mudguard mounts.
An old pro-model bike/frame would unlikely have mudguard mounts.
Hope that helps!
Putting on stretchy leg warmers is hard? This coming from someone who has a 6-10 minute commute so I know full well how much time I waste the days I commute!
Which shoe covers are you using? Various different types, some more stretchy than others. Some less stretchy it's worth sizing up on. My current daily are Sealskinz, they're a fabric covered neopreyne so quite hard wearing but not very stretchy. I'm a size EU42 shoe so at top their 'Medium' sizing (39-42), but I wear a 'Large' and they're a good fit. Not baggy in the slightest and that is with 3 different shoes so not shoe specific. If anything they're more comfortable with boa shoes as less pressure, while also much easier to take on & off so less chance of damaging them by ripping tags/seams with regular use (I live in overshoes for at least 6-8 months of the year!)
Me. Generally up for anything! Just completed FlammeRougeRacing Tour France (although didn't ride all stages) after ZRL. Kinda floating a bit before ZRL starts again. Need to get some longer 2-4 hour rides in on there as I've been slacking recent months and the couple of times I've done that outside my sit bones have seriously suffered from the time in the saddle. 3 hours inside I generally find conditions me well for 4-5 outside!
Have a vCingles semi-planned at some point (3 ascents of Ventop) - 4500m & 100km within 24 hours & 1 activity. But will also extend it to include a vEverest (8848m, no sleep, TD100%). Which will certainly be over 12 hours for me...
Would be interesting to find out what you mean by this! As they would be the only real way I would determine which zone I was in!
I can talk while leading a TTT at this effort - https://www.strava.com/activities/10149533882 - as I'm 'lead' I have to call rotation and timings for the rest of the team... We even had conversations about the FRR Tour a couple of us had ridden as the organiser was along for the TTT with us. Then of course I have a crazy Belgian Navy/sailor guy along who is sometimes singing in a really bad accent! But do realise probably niche riders with 'unique' abilities
Still new rim brake bikes around.
Most rim brake road bikes (non-racing) would have mudguard mounts.
An old pro-model bike/frame would unlikely have mudguard mounts.
Hope that helps!
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Would be interesting to find out what you mean by this! As they would be the only real way I would determine which zone I was in!
Honestly, I can't explain it.
All I know is that the guys in the know seem to suggest that doing your zone 2 rides based on power is inaccurate. I assume by this they mean FTP because I would think that up to a point using power is a good marker to use to keep yourself in zone 2 once you know where you should be via the other method. i.e. you can't say "my zone 2 is 57% of FTP" and be sure you in zone 2. As to heart rate, that fluctuates based on so many factors that its not that useful.
The accepted best "cheap" way is the conversation test.
Should have the timestamp
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Surely Zone 2 is specifically talking about your HR? To get into Z2, you would have a power you would aim for to achieve this, but as you say, this can move based on other factors. That doesn't mean you can't use it. Is talking/respiratory rate not the same as HR in that it's an effect of using too much power for too long? Use power to not use too much power... no?
I don't particularly do Z2 training, but it's the same as a hill climb IMO. I wouldn't use my HR or talk test for that as it's a delayed reaction of using too much (and probably then too little to correct it) power. I pick the power I know I can do and off I go...
(Sorry, not watched the video)
I don't particularly do Z2 training, but it's the same as a hill climb IMO. I wouldn't use my HR or talk test for that as it's a delayed reaction of using too much (and probably then too little to correct it) power. I pick the power I know I can do and off I go...
(Sorry, not watched the video)
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I've got my eye on Treck Domane's. Ex tour bike that has mudguard mounts.Still new rim brake bikes around.
Most rim brake road bikes (non-racing) would have mudguard mounts.
An old pro-model bike/frame would unlikely have mudguard mounts.
Hope that helps!
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Yeah pretty much in agreement with @AndyCr15 on this one, but don't think there's really a right or wrong answer, or an accurate one... So rider and training specific?!
The whole point of 'z2' riding is that you're aware of what your HR zone is. Yes, you probably calculate what power that range is from FTP to then figure out what to hold - but you also need to be aware (what I think @fez is really saying ) - that because HR is variable on any given day (sleep/rest/fatigue/illness/form) then you'd have a 'power envelope' of what normally you'd expect yourself to be in Z2 for, but while also riding within that zone keeping an eye on HR to try and stay within that zone as constant as possible - so you need awareness of what your Z2 HR normally is. Your 'body' being in zone (what the talk test is really about) rather than your power output steady. Obviously the longer you're riding at that steady effort, your HR will drift anyway. It'll likely drift up if you're riding slightly too hard, down if too easy, probably down if you're in form too, or up if you're fatigued or under-fuelled. So many variables blah blah blah...
But the whole point of 'Z2 riding' (and why it won't benefit many of the riders who suddenly read it in the 'cycling press') is the way it generally works. You have to be quite 'trained' to get big benefit from it, from what I've read on the subject, riders who do a lot of intensity (racing) with lots of structured training (coached) but have not nailed their recoveries are the main ones who will benefit. Pro riders do a fair amount of base work. Riders who have quite varied riding without as good a base fitness, or high enough base volume only really benefit if the Z2 riding then makes them do a lot more base work. The whole 'point' (I'm aware of) of Z2 riding is to push that Z2 upwards, so your other zones - Z3 and Z4 are then more 'condensed'. So when you then do varied riding, you are able to recover quicker from efforts, so more variation/range in HR and are in your Z2 at times riding when you would've been in Z3-Z4 before. Fatiguing less, more easy riding and recovery - during races/hard rides. Without really giving yourself more top end or threshold power... You're basically training yourself to be less fatigued. Much the same as the Periodized training approach - easy rides are easier, so harder rides are harder.
But do know I might not have everything correct... Welcome input from those who know training & zones far better than me!
The whole point of 'z2' riding is that you're aware of what your HR zone is. Yes, you probably calculate what power that range is from FTP to then figure out what to hold - but you also need to be aware (what I think @fez is really saying ) - that because HR is variable on any given day (sleep/rest/fatigue/illness/form) then you'd have a 'power envelope' of what normally you'd expect yourself to be in Z2 for, but while also riding within that zone keeping an eye on HR to try and stay within that zone as constant as possible - so you need awareness of what your Z2 HR normally is. Your 'body' being in zone (what the talk test is really about) rather than your power output steady. Obviously the longer you're riding at that steady effort, your HR will drift anyway. It'll likely drift up if you're riding slightly too hard, down if too easy, probably down if you're in form too, or up if you're fatigued or under-fuelled. So many variables blah blah blah...
But the whole point of 'Z2 riding' (and why it won't benefit many of the riders who suddenly read it in the 'cycling press') is the way it generally works. You have to be quite 'trained' to get big benefit from it, from what I've read on the subject, riders who do a lot of intensity (racing) with lots of structured training (coached) but have not nailed their recoveries are the main ones who will benefit. Pro riders do a fair amount of base work. Riders who have quite varied riding without as good a base fitness, or high enough base volume only really benefit if the Z2 riding then makes them do a lot more base work. The whole 'point' (I'm aware of) of Z2 riding is to push that Z2 upwards, so your other zones - Z3 and Z4 are then more 'condensed'. So when you then do varied riding, you are able to recover quicker from efforts, so more variation/range in HR and are in your Z2 at times riding when you would've been in Z3-Z4 before. Fatiguing less, more easy riding and recovery - during races/hard rides. Without really giving yourself more top end or threshold power... You're basically training yourself to be less fatigued. Much the same as the Periodized training approach - easy rides are easier, so harder rides are harder.
But do know I might not have everything correct... Welcome input from those who know training & zones far better than me!
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I've only done a few dedicated Z2 rides indoors and I find them super boring. The longest was 25 volcano laps and my soul was crushed way before my legs began to ache.
I'm quite enjoying the sweet spot workouts. At least they're relatively varied.
I'm quite enjoying the sweet spot workouts. At least they're relatively varied.
My Z2 rides generally sit around 1:20 with an hour sitting at a set power. I knock it up/down ~10w depending on how i'm feeling. My current "plan" is doing a few Z2 rides and then 1-2 harder sessions based on intervals. Its hard at the moment because the boys aren't very well so half my sessions are getting interrupted or completely ruined. I am the same as you Junglist. I find it boring and really uncomfortable spending more than 1:30 on the trainer. Fine outside but inside its not comfortable.
I'll let you know come spring if its worked for me
Fingers crossed when I can do some longer rides at the weekend outside the weather will be nice.
I'll let you know come spring if its worked for me
Fingers crossed when I can do some longer rides at the weekend outside the weather will be nice.
It's Trek and the Domane is really an Endurance Road bike they just so happen to have made into a lightweight Tour/do everything bike that the Pro's ride in Tours
https://www.trekbikes.com/gb/en_GB/bikes/road-bikes/performance-road-bikes/domane/c/B221/ "Domane endurance road bikes"
And the majority of them (dig into the details - maybe not the Trek site) have 'hidden fender mounts' - so they generally take mudguards (certainly the 5+ people I know with them - various models - all mount guards no issue), but you may find you have to buy the specific ones from Trek to get them to fit.
But worth noting, the Domane RSL that the Pro's ride - is generally not available to the public (and doesn't have mudguard mounts), we just have the SLR and SL, with the SLR being made with more premium lighter carbon than the SL so the frame is around 300g lighter. The RSL is another 100g lighter than the SLR.
Pretty similar to me. Even when I plan to 'take it easy' and just roll some easy miles to burn some excess weight, I end up volunteering to do some sweeping and having fun instead - it's the best distraction for me! But not really very much Z2 riding!
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It's Trek and the Domane is really an Endurance Road bike they just so happen to have made into a lightweight Tour/do everything bike that the Pro's ride in Tours
https://www.trekbikes.com/gb/en_GB/bikes/road-bikes/performance-road-bikes/domane/c/B221/ "Domane endurance road bikes"
And the majority of them (dig into the details - maybe not the Trek site) have 'hidden fender mounts' - so they generally take mudguards (certainly the 5+ people I know with them - various models - all mount guards no issue), but you may find you have to buy the specific ones from Trek to get them to fit.
But worth noting, the Domane RSL that the Pro's ride - is generally not available to the public (and doesn't have mudguard mounts), we just have the SLR and SL, with the SLR being made with more premium lighter carbon than the SL so the frame is around 300g lighter. The RSL is another 100g lighter than the SLR.
You're more insightful than the conversations I've had with chatgpt about this
I was also considering the Domane 5.2 and 5.9 from around 2016.
You can get these bikes for less than £1000 which seems fairly reasonable, obviously depending on condition.
Not sure about old di2 though...
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YES!!
that new S6 in that colour is just amazin...
went for a quick check today and personally i think its too small... 54
pics below...i get that guy in shop wants to sell it - they will match lower by 800 or so price from the online shop - but he says its good and numbers with all spacers fit by fit numbers...
its not all about spacers now ( maybe a bit).. i remember that there was an old rule about sight of front hub being blocked by handle bars...i couls see whole front hub in front of the bars - forgot to check hoods..
jeans and shirt did not help..
have just emailed my fitter for a quick new bike sizing.... lost weight etc, so should be smarrter option before i buy 6k bike
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Was about to say the same. On the tops looks nice and relaxed, but on the hoods your arms look locked out, so with a slight bend and 'ducking down' to get a bit more aero you'll really be a bunch more over the stem/bars/front and looking pretty cramped for space and even more front loaded...!