EV general discussion

b0rn2sk8 said:
Or you just bing in a used/remanufactured one like you’d do with an ICE car.

No one’s putting in a brand new battery into a 8+ year old EV. Even under warranty they typically use remanufactured packs.
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Supply of packs isn’t the issue, it’s there accessibility and safety considerations of handling the battery packs.

Structural packs are going to be an absolute ass to change.

No reason if you are changing a whole pack the chemistry can’t change (as long as nominal voltage is the same)

For single cell replacement / partial pack replacement, Even though chemistry is changing, “older” Chemistry won’t become obsolete as they will have different applications. So will still be manufactured.
 
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Yes there are safety considerations but but in reality the considerations and precautions are not that different to any other electrical work. Safely isolate and don’t put your fingers on anything live. It’s not exactly rocket science.

I doubt anyone will be doing cell level repairs, most cells are glued together into modules. If a cell dies, the module gets replaced.

‘Structural packs’ are a bit over hyped in that they not much different to a regular pack other than they form a structural component of the car. They are removed in a similar way to a non-structural pack. Sure there may be other components attached to them like the interior or seats but you’d just remove them and swap them over.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I doubt anyone will be doing cell level repairs, most cells are glued together into modules. If a cell dies, the module gets replaced.
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Totally agree, single cell goes bad, battery sub pack module replaced.

But dealers are taking the mick because A they don’t want to repair and want to charge high mark ups. There is very few alternatives in the UK to resolve these issues.

So consumer gets bent over.

Until this is resolved along with cheep overnight charging for people without a dedicated drive or parking bay.

Mass EV adoption is a long way off.
 
The latter is a bit of a stretch and it’s not any different to the status quo.

You aren’t taking your out of warranty ICE car to a main dealer to repair a failed timing belt repairs or to get its injectors replaced unless you don’t like money.

Likewise your average or even a really good garage isn’t going to have the space or equipment to repair/remanufacture a battery in house, the vast majority are always going to be a swap and return process. With the repair/remanufacture taking place in a specialist facility. It’s the exact same process you’d use now to get an alternator in an ICE car.

The reality is that these things are in their infancy because cars being out of warranty has only been a thing for what, 2 years? Even those are just two models. The Leaf and Model S with only a few thousand of them even on the road. EVs produced in any significant volume are still under battery warranty.

It’s the same old argument about EV battery recycling. You can’t recycle what doesn’t exist…

I’m not sure where your going with mass EV adoption being miles away.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I’m not sure where your going with mass EV adoption being miles away.
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I am assuming they mean unless you are in the 80%+ of new registrations, then we haven't hit mass adoption. Or some other random figure plucked out the air, 'cause apparently the circa 340k BEV's that will be registered this year isn't mass, its just a tickle.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I’m not sure where your going with mass EV adoption being miles away.
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BEV equate for 15-16% of new cars and 80%+ of car transactions are not for new cars. We are at 2-3% in the UK? That’s going to take a long time to change.

Don’t get me wrong. For the people who have there own drive, can afford, or have a company car (or have access to a cheep salary sacrifice scheme) they are a complete no brainier at this stage.

I’m in the fortunate position that I will be getting one via work, I have a driveway with 32amp (7KW) charger already installed. I already have an ultra cheep time of use tariff.

I drive 15-20k miles per year but on very specific roots that won’t require public rapid charging. I will probably use public chargers less than 10 time a year.
 
The PUG stated 168 miles range on 100% earlier, bit annoying. I had to do my "semi-regularly" 154 mile commute. On arrival I was at 48% annoyingly. Ended up pulling off at Thurrock instead of Mimms; it was a much better experience from what I recall - the first charger I went to, worked - I just tapped my card and I was away. The GridServe got me from ~36 miles to ~86miles in as long as it took to grab some dinner from M&S. The services itself is vile though; outrageous really. I guess captive audience means no need to bother making it at all pleasant.

80p a kWh but so quick I didn't feel ripped off tbh.

Poor old bloke looked lost though. The charger had the "nubbin" at the bottom (CCS?) and the chap had a regular type 2. None of the chargers seemed to have a type2??? But it was getting dark and raining so unclear if he had looked properly or all the type 2's were in use or w/e.
 
Does look like a barrel of laughs at thurrock in the rain/snow ... but at least you don't have those dirty ICE pumps to handle - so the range is not significantly reduced in the current temp

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jpaul said:
Does look like a barrel of laughs at thurrock in the rain/snow ... but at least you don't have those dirty ICE pumps to handle - so the range is not significantly reduced in the current temp

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How did you get a photo of me?

Edit: I swear the romanian Tesla Model 3 driver picked me up the other week!
 
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dlockers said:
80p a kWh but so quick I didn't feel ripped off tbh.
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Since when is gridserve 80p :eek:

Charging costs seem to be creeping up despite wholesale prices coming right down.
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Poor old bloke looked lost though. The charger had the "nubbin" at the bottom (CCS?) and the chap had a regular type 2. None of the chargers seemed to have a type2??? But it was getting dark and raining so unclear if he had looked properly or all the type 2's were in use or w/e.
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What car did they have? The only cars I can think of that ‘rapid charge’ via type 2 is the Zoe and the legacy Tesla’s.

There is a bunch of tesla super chargers at Thurrock…
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
What car did they have? The only cars I can think of that ‘rapid charge’ via type 2 is the Zoe and the legacy Tesla’s.

There is a bunch of tesla super chargers at Thurrock…
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No idea; unfortunately with a tired 3y/o in the car I couldn't "assist". I guess a Zoe as there were super chargers nearby.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
I’m sure even with a 3 y/o you’d notice the difference between a tiny euro hatch and a massive sedan or obnoxious SUV with stupid back doors :p
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He was just roaming. Made conversation as I wrapped up and asked if it worked.
 
Still very little charging stuff down here (that actually works). What little there is is always in use.
There is absolutely no way I could go electric.
The funny thing is that apart from the obligatory 2x chargers at all supermarkets now, there's nothing being built.
Is the plan that everybody will just install chargers at their houses? (Or isn't there really a plan to speak of...)
 
~70% of car owners are able to charge at home and it will always be considerably cheaper to charge at home than on the public network. So generally yes, it’s expected most people still install them at home.

Assuming you don’t own a 2011 Nissan leaf, you’ll seldom use a public charger within 100 miles of home, if you can charge at home.

I’m not saying there’s an abundance of public chargers in Cornwall but I seldom hear people complaining about it unlike North Wales and Lincolnshire. It’s probably fair to say there isn’t an abundance of people in Cornwall for most of the year, I know that’s a saw point of contention for the locals.
 
So much hatred brewing up on social media for EV batteries and how they are made and how much waste is created.

I guess it’s the flat earthers and anti-vaxers latest target. Albeit with some truth this time.
 
The Cybertruck seems to be the latest target. An army of people who wouldn't ever give up their 20 year old beater for one. Cause diesels forever yo.

I detest some of the things Musk has done, but as an engineer I'm a big fan.
 
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