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Same kVA to the transformers...

Real reason for 800V is to get the speeds without exceeding 500A continious rating of CCS connections, Tesla do as they are cowboys. Yee ha
 
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So essentially - They are better off just putting in 800v chargers everywhere as that is less load on the grid?
Sort of but not really, cost is also a consideration.

The USP of something like Kempower and is the AC-DC conversion happens centrally and that power can be shunted to what ever stall is asking for it.

That makes it significantly cheaper to deploy than installing standalone chargers that are controlled centrally.

Say you’ve got a 2mw connection to serve 12 bays. If you are using standalone chargers you are effectively buying enough power electronics to convert 4.8mw of AC to DC if you want them all to have 350kw capability.

Where as if you have a Kempower (or V3/4 Tesla) system, you buy 2mw of power cabinets and they can send the power to which ever stall is asking for it in X kw increments. I think it’s 30kw but don’t quote me on that. The stalls themselves are very cheap and just carry the cable, deal with payment and cable water cooling if it uses a water cooled cable.

It provides a far better customer experience than something like an old V2 Tesla or even something like a new 300kw Alpitronic Hypercharger which share power across 2 stalls only.

Taking the BP hub at the NEC which has 16 (?) 300kw Hyper chargers as an example. Let’s say you are the only car there. You have a nice shiny 800V EV6, you plug in and take all 300kw for yourself.

You walk over to Starbucks and 30 seconds later some muggle pulls in and because they can’t face parking alone, they park in the bay next to you and plug into the same unit. Now you charging speed is halved despite the massive capacity available at the site.

And yes, I’ve actually had this happen to me… it’s the same phenomenon as when you park at the back of the car park specifically to get away from other vehicles but when you come back you find you have spawned a new car either side of you despite there being 50 other empty spaces around you.
 
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Using Octopus Intelligent for the first time last night / today and it worked flawlessly.
I plugged the car in at 9pm last night, telling the Octopus app I needed 80% charge by 8am this morning. Octopus mapped a charge plan and the charger & car followed it, even giving me some more time at the cheaper rate - I’m impressed :)

This shows when the car was charging, starting at 02:30, stopping a couple of times and finishing at about 6am

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The myBMW app showing the charge in progress

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I am impressed with IO as well. I had a few issues when moving from controlled by my car directly to controlled by my zappi charge point but beta is beta as they say and the last half dozen or so have been flawless

my i3 keeps complaining when the charging stops unexpectedly suggesting I may need to check my chargepoint.... but my phone is on silent over night so it can complain away so long as it's charged by morning.
 
It works great until your manufacturer decides to update their API overnight. Which seems to be a very regular thing for VW group to do.
Yep, the move from the weconnect app to the VW app has broken integration for me with both Octopus and my backup method of integrating using my Ohme granny charger. Problem is we tend to only use the properly installed Zappi, getting the Ohme out and plugged into the locked outside sockets is much more of a faff.

Obviously Octopus are happy as they can still control the (backup) charger, but the charger can’t communicate with the car, so details of current SoC are not working properly.

The new VW app also appears to be about half as functional as the old weconnect app also.

VW really don’t understand software and it’s importance in modern motoring.

Night and day difference between our Passat GTE and our Model 3. The Tesla isn’t the ultimate in luxury or refinement, but it makes the Passat look like an antique in contrast.
 
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I had this loosely related moan on another forum. in general not just cars I think software guys often don't understand how users use the hardware they support .
for example my ipace
has a great feature when it's cold or frosty to warm the cabin via the app on my phone......except it doesn't turn on thebrear window heater or rear mirrors so instill have to get the ice scraper reaper out and my wing mirrors are still frozen shut.

yes I could keep it on for 30 mins and do a full pre journey conditioning but that is a huge waste of energy when 10 mins will do it.
 
You would think that is something they would have updated over time.

At some point Polestar updated the preheat function to turn on the heated seats to the level 1 setting, when the outside temperature was below 10°C.
 
Unfortunately there’s an issue with remote load on the DcDc on IPACE so the heated screens don’t come on below 5C until it’s key on. All the ICE variants do this, engine on and everything works. Bit of a miss there for BEV.
 
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Using Octopus Intelligent for the first time last night / today and it worked flawlessly.
Wondering if you just have a limited 2.3kgranny charger available from remote gararage (20A) whether intelligent gives possibility to get cheaper energy outside of the main cheap 11:30-5:30 window
to fulfill charging target - neighbour (with id4) and myself wouldn't want to pay to dig up roads to get a bigger cable put in

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Where as if you have a Kempower (or V3/4 Tesla) system, you buy 2mw of power cabinets and they can send the power to which ever stall is asking for it in X kw increments. I think it’s 30kw but don’t quote me on that. The stalls themselves are very cheap and just carry the cable, deal with payment and cable water cooling if it uses a water cooled cable.

are you sure - glance at kempower sales brochure (writing my xmas list) , looks like 600KW power unit sharing power dynamically for 8 stalls is their maximum config -
if you specced power units to supply many stalls simultaneously at 300kw you'd be over-speccing hardware for typical use, decreasing roi
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Wondering if you just have a limited 2.3kgranny charger available from remote gararage (20A) whether intelligent gives possibility to get cheaper energy outside of the main cheap 11:30-5:30 window
to fulfill charging target - neighbour (with id4) and myself wouldn't want to pay to dig up roads to get a bigger cable put in

You can but your DNO will upgrade your house connection for free if you are on a looped supply. Having a looped supply is the main reason why you’d be on a 60A fuse.

That said, even with. 60A fuse, it’s still possible to have a 7kw charger installed, it just needs to have load balancing functionality so it can automatically curtail its speed to keep the whole house below 60A. Most decent chargers already have this function.

are you sure - glance at kempower sales brochure (writing my xmas list) , looks like 600KW power unit sharing power dynamically for 8 stalls is their maximum config -
if you specced power units to supply many stalls simultaneously at 300kw you'd be over-speccing hardware for typical use, decreasing roi
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Not sure what you are getting at here?

They are not designed to support the maximum speed at all stalls simultaneously because that is an edge case in the real world. The purpose of having central power cabinets which can switch power to a number of stalls is that you avoid just that.
 
Wondering if you just have a limited 2.3kgranny charger available from remote gararage (20A) whether intelligent gives possibility to get cheaper energy outside of the main cheap 11:30-5:30 window
to fulfill charging target - neighbour (with id4) and myself wouldn't want to pay to dig up roads to get a bigger cable put in

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yes you can do this, and indeed a lot of people on various forums are bragging about doing exactly that .

however it isn't in the spirit of IO which is meant to be about balancing the grid not letting EV owners get 15hrs a day of cheap electricity. if too many people do this it may make octopus pull or gimp the product so I would not reccomend it unless it really is your only option

any house with a driveway can have a proper charge point it may just need to load balance a bit.

rentals with a luddite landlord may be an issue but if you are staying for a few years I would try to negotiate something with the LL in that case

also 3pin plugs in the UK are not really built for continual 10a draw. you really need to make sure the wiring is up to snuff if you plan permanent granny charging... it's really meant for rare uses. by the time you have done that or fitted a certified 3pin socket you may as well have installed a low end proper charge point, again even if it can't run full tilt.
 
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Leasing - Anyone had a crossover period where there old car hadn't been collected but they had the new car? What's the best/most cost effective way of insuring both?

You can only use your no claims bonus for one car.
 
Admiral let me add a temporary car for a month before, online self-service. Not sure about how other providers do it but I am sure they would do this if you called up.
 
Ran out of electrons at the weekend, completely my own fault, it's fair to say when it reads zero it zero. Ran out 4 miles from home :D

A pretty painless experience tbh, two lovely young female police officers turned up as I was in a bit of an awkward position + Jaguar Assist (Manchetts recorvery) were fantastic as well.

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it isnt something i ever want to test in mine, however did it totally die and that was your lot, or were you able to then start the car and move it a few hundred metres to get it somewhere safe?.

i would have been having kittens once i got to single digits, and further more had my wife been with me she would have been beating the snot out of me!.

once the car was in single digits was it fairly accurate or did the last 10 miles range plummet in way less than 10 miles?

final question....
can you push an EV to get it into a charging point? because if not i could imagine actually getting the charge point "hose" (cable) to the car could be a proper ball ache.
 
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Ran out of electrons at the weekend, completely my own fault, it's fair to say when it reads zero it zero. Ran out 4 miles from home :D

I almost did this with my IPace when I bought it. Mine was on 0 for quite a distance I think.

It's ominous when it shuts everything down to conserve power. Glad it wasn't too much of a ball ache for you.
 
Ran out of electrons at the weekend, completely my own fault, it's fair to say when it reads zero it zero. Ran out 4 miles from home :D

You short on cash this Christmas, looking for a The Sun or The Daily Fail to buy your story from you - I can see the headline now "Electric car strands family just miles from destination, ruining their child's Christmas nativity!" :cry:
 
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