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Gfx card dilemma, choosing between 4070 or 7800XT or waiting

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I really can't make my mind up between the two. On the one hand the 4070 has better ray tracing support for the future, DLSS, and seems to be a great all-round performer. On the other hand the 7800 XT has more VRAM, FSR is getting more useful, I can always turn RT off in games if it's a bit too much of a hit (and it's not like any games I currently play have it anyway!), and it's less expensive to buy. Additionally, there's PSU considerations. The nVidia card uses an adapter, the AMD card has regular connections. But the 4070 has lower overall power consumption.

Aside from much older stuff, the games I'm spending most of my time in right now are beamNG.drive, GTA V and RDR2. Playing at 1440p, shuffling monitor refresh between 120-144Hz depending on the game.

Alternatively, do I wait and see if the upcoming Super releases from nV depresses prices at all?
 
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All of the Super cards should be released by the end of January. Whichever way you're leaning, waiting for pricing on those and seeing how that affects the cards you're looking at is sensible.

Between the 4070 and 7800 XT you've already listed the pros and cons. Personally for your use case I think the 7800 XT sounds like the better card. It also has a decent amount of overclocking headroom (12-15%) so will pull ahead further.

I wouldn't consider RT a must have feature at the 4070 tier as I think the performance hit would be a bit too much and only a handful of games really utilise it. DLSS is better than FSR so would be the main selling point of the 4070 to me and lower power consumption is always nice, but only 12GB of VRAM would put me off.
 
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opethdisciple said:
This is not entirely correct.

I game at 1440p and have seen games use 14Gb of my 16Gb quite often.
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To be fair that does not mean you actually need that extra VRAM to play those games. Worst case scenario is they might have to tweak some settings, most likely scenario is it would be irrelevant at 1440p. RT will be a much bigger factor in performance but as OP says they can simply turn that off.
 
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To be fair that does not mean you actually need that extra VRAM to play those games. Worst case scenario is they might have to tweak some settings, most likely scenario is it would be irrelevant at 1440p. RT will be a much bigger factor in performance but as OP says they can simply turn that off.
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Yes. I was talking about when you turn it all up to 11. (RT + PT + FG uses a lot of vram)
 
Personally i don't think either of them are viable RT cards, the 4070 is 15% faster, unless its Cyberpunk and then is 26 FPS vs 36 FPS at 1440P, they are both garbage tier.

The 4070 is only much better where the RT is very heavy and where the RT is very heavy both have a poor showing, and the 4070 is not always faster, Resident Evil the 7800XT is a match, actually faster at 4K and able to run at over 60 FPS, just.
Same again with Spiderman Remastered, and Watchdogs Legions other than 4K where both just fall flat on their face.

Its just not clear cut, it used to be, and we are used to it being clear cut and tech journalist still say "anything RT always Nvidia never AMD" but if one actually analyses it now between the 4000 and 7000 series GPU's its a lot more nuanced.

I wouldn't buy a 4070 over a 7800XT just because of the RT mindvirus mindshare, if you actaully want RT at playable FPS the 4070 isn't much if any better.
 
It's a tough choice between those two. As you say RT and DLSS favour Nvidia, mostly in combination; as Humbug said heavier RT games where AMD falls down are still pretty slow on 4070 class cards, but DLSS helps a bit.

Either way I'd wait as it should only be a month before it becomes clear what the Supers offer and not much beyond that to see what impact they have on pricing.
 
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As much as I hate to say it, I know what it's like being impatient, but definitely wait for the new ones
 
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I'm currently in the same boat but play at 4k, don't play games with RT so thinking about waiting for the new cards to come out in January which hopefully brings prices down!
 
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The RTX4070 is really the RTX4060TI in disguise and the RX7800XT is the RX7700XT in disguise. They are really £400ish cards at most. UE5 ATM,does seem to run a bit better on the RX7800XT and the extra VRAM will might help with that engine. OTH,the RTX4070 has better RT and more developed value added features. I would say the RX7800XT edges it for me,but I would probably get the cheapest of the two,and ideally the one closest as possible to £400ish. With the Super launches we might see some price reductions on the RTX4070 hopefully.
 
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That's a tough choice. I'm thinking about a similar upgrade. It's been good reading through this. With the way things are, Nvidia seems the easy choice but I think it's better to wait a few weeks :)
 
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