Are you afraid of death?

[ivrytwr3]

Never been more serious or more convinced of anything in my life.

Not sure how you can do studies on such things, do they deliberately attempt to kill someone then operate and try to revive them? Who says you can freely roam around looking for signs? These things seem to occur naturally. I've read countless reports of the exact opposite to what you are saying though, people who have actually almost died reported things which were later verified by medical professionals, I'll try get you the name of the book which collated various reports from all over the world. Blind people who were born blind so have never seen, seeing for the first time when their physical body was near lifeless on an operating table etc. I've read and heard so many of these stories.

As one gets closer to his/her death, or if one has a close call with death, I think we then start to question our purpose and think a bit deeper about our existence. One thing we all believe though, no one is escaping death and the reality afterwards which so many denied will be facing you and there is no escaping it. Be a good person, treat your fellow humans beings well, stand up for truth and justice and stand against oppression but most importantly do not deny the existence of the One who put us here in the first place. We didn't create ourselves.

The studies involved patients who claimed that they had a near death experience and left their body and could see the doctors working on them, the room etc. They didn't intentionally bring people close to death. But in some theatres they had positioned things on the ceiling, around the room - and none of them said they had seen them, just said what you would expect to see in an operating room. The brain is a strange, complex thing, capable of conjuring experiences. I read this ages ago.

I hope you're right and there is something after death, but the thought of some divine being creating all of us and then welcoming us all into the pearly gates or whatever your religion/spaghetti monster is? Nah.

 

[Diddums]

Your conscience dies and you rot in a hole in the ground. The end.


No sky pixies, no fairies, no virgins, nothing. Compost. Nothing more.

 

[413x]

This question always leads me to my own existential crisis about "now". If I didn't exist before I was born and I won't after I'm dead, then the only thing that is important is the current, and then I go down a rabbit hole of, does the universe exist if nothing is alive to experience it..

Blows my mind. And just have to stop thinking about it.

Genuinely thought I was a gonner a year ago. It certainly changed me.
My main regret was not seeing more of the world. And that I had a decent amount of savings and that felt pointless.

Its impossible for me to concieve nothing.

 

[413x]

Your conscience dies and you rot in a hole in the ground. The end.


No sky pixies, no fairies, no virgins, nothing. Compost. Nothing more.

I used to wonder.. Is there anything. Not like the typical mono theism nonsense. More.. Was a there a creator playing Sims or something.

It is crazy how we, or anything, can even "be".

I concluded if there is they are a sick ****. With all the stuff that goes on in the world. The cruelty, the grim deaths and worse... I hope there isn't a true "god" as they are a right sadist of they are!

 

[ChroniC]

Blows my mind. And just have to stop thinking about it.

Genuinely thought I was a gonner a year ago. It certainly changed me.
My main regret was not seeing more of the world. And that I had a decent amount of savings and that felt pointless.

Its impossible for me to concieve nothing.

Shouldn't be to hard, you do it every night. Consciousness is a strange concept.

 

[e36Adz]

My humble advise to everyone would be, never stop learning and searching for the truth and be honest to yourself. If with the intellect you have been given, you're conclusion is that there is nothing afterwards, but it turns out there is, then at least you have some grounds to argue your case. The problem will be if you're lying to yourself. We saw so many people lying to themselves during covid for example, following orders which made no sense like delusional robotic fools. This shows the reality of most people unfortunately.

The Islamic position is that this life is a test, a mere drop in the ocean of what is to come afterwards and no one will be wronged in the least bit. We're also told though that God's signs are everywhere you turn, we're even told to look at ourselves and our own creation and contemplate over that. None of us chose where we were born, when we were born or to whom, none of us chose our circumstances, we all experienced something different, some have far more difficult lives than others so we aren't in any position to judge anyone else.

Those who say we die and that's it are wishing more than anything. We didn't just spring into existence randomly, and then we completely disappear into oblivion. Everything has a purpose.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

I've never been afraid of death but now I've turned 66 last week and got a Pensioner status I am now.

 

[Narj]

Seriously? They've done studies where patients claim they have risen from the operating table. They described the room etc, but none have identified the signs/posters put around the room that were put up as part of the test.

I wish what you were saying were true, but do you really think this likely? "a window into the physical and non-physical" - i hate to think how many times my mum and past family members have seen me knocking one out if that's the case.

I had the observing myself on the operating table dream as a child. I was convinced at the time it was real but it’s more likely to just be a subconscious brain fart. I thought anaesthetic completely switched off all processing but it seems you do have some limited response/awareness. I had a chat with the consultant about it at the time being a naive kid.

My mum was really into spiritual stuff so was convinced it was real. Astral projection/RV is in conspiracy/illuminati/nutcase territory though for me and has never been proved to exist.

EDIT: I do hedge my bets just in case. Do unto others/don’t be a **** is how I live my life. CofE upbringing and nagging uncertainty eh.

 

[Diddums]

My humble advise to everyone would be, never stop learning and searching for the truth and be honest to yourself. If with the intellect you have been given, you're conclusion is that there is nothing afterwards, but it turns out there is, then at least you have some grounds to argue your case. The problem will be if you're lying to yourself. We saw so many people lying to themselves during covid for example, following orders which made no sense like delusional robotic fools. This shows the reality of most people unfortunately.

The Islamic position is that this life is a test, a mere drop in the ocean of what is to come afterwards and no one will be wronged in the least bit. We're also told though that God's signs are everywhere you turn, we're even told to look at ourselves and our own creation and contemplate over that. None of us chose where we were born, when we were born or to whom, none of us chose our circumstances, we all experienced something different, some have far more difficult lives than others so we aren't in any position to judge anyone else.

Those who say we die and that's it are wishing more than anything. We didn't just spring into existence randomly, and then we completely disappear into oblivion. Everything has a purpose.

Sounds like a load of religious guff to me. You mention this intellect you've been given but you blindly follow an ancient book some bloke wrote with absolutely zero evidence. My intellect taught me that without evidence, no amount of preaching will get me to believe anything. Proof or GTFO.

I'm not wishing at all, I couldn't care less what happens to me when I'm pushing daisies. Because I'll be dead.

 

[413x]

I've never been afraid of death but now I've turned 66 last week and got a Pensioner status I am now.

Can understand that. When you're young and you feel immortal you barely see it.

Then you get older and more people drop off. Tike goes faster. Health declines.

It makes no sense. Because it happens to everyone. But at the same time, we are instinctively afraid of it.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

I was convinced at the time it was real but it’s more likely to just be a subconscious brain fart. I thought anaesthetic completely switched off all processing but it seems you do have some limited response/awareness.

I was given anaesthetic, did a countdown and promptly fell asleep.
About 40 minutes later I woke up and said "I've woken up", the Clinician said "You haven't been asleep".
I argued I'd been asleep but he said you've been having conversations with us
To this day I still wonder what they found out about me

 

[e36Adz]

Sounds like a load of religious guff to me. You mention this intellect you've been given but you blindly follow an ancient book some bloke wrote with absolutely zero evidence. My intellect taught me that without evidence, no amount of preaching will get me to believe anything. Proof or GTFO.

I'm not wishing at all, I couldn't care less what happens to me when I'm pushing daisies. Because I'll be dead.

I don't blindly follow anything, speak for yourself if anything. We all witnessed blind following of the masses not long ago, these were the so called intellects.

Most of the greatest minds that ever walked the planet were religious to some degree. A simpleton says things like "religious guff". It has no bearing whatsoever on me or anyone else what you choose to believe but don't get so worked up over it.

Evidence? I've noticed when I have these sorts of conversations with atheists and ask them what sort of evidence they want they don't actually know. No wonder you haven't found evidence, do you even know what you are looking for?? Or are you of the thinking that we can use tools for observing the physical world, to measure something supernatural that exists outside of time and space?? We are severely limited in what we can see, hear, measure... but we do have something built inside each of us, our innate disposition, our 'fitra' as it's described in the Quran, that compels us to believe in the creative force that caused our existence. That doesn't exist in you?? Again, from the Islamic perspective you have nothing to worry about if you were created differently to the rest of creation, but from my very limited 40 plus years of experience all I've seen is people lying to themselves and following their own whims and desires.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

We all witnessed blind following of the masses not long ago, these were the so called intellects.

You're bang on, those Conspiracy Theorists caused nothing but trouble for me and my colleagues - absolute idiots.

 

[Minstadave]

I was given anaesthetic, did a countdown and promptly fell asleep.
About 40 minutes later I woke up and said "I've woken up", the Clinician said "You haven't been asleep".
I argued I'd been asleep but he said you've been having conversations with us
To this day I still wonder what they found out about me

The beauty of Midazolam.

 

[Diddums]

I don't blindly follow anything, speak for yourself if anything. We all witnessed blind following of the masses not long ago, these were the so called intellects.

Most of the greatest minds that ever walked the planet were religious to some degree. A simpleton says things like "religious guff". It has no bearing whatsoever on me or anyone else what you choose to believe but don't get so worked up over it.

Evidence? I've noticed when I have these sorts of conversations with atheists and ask them what sort of evidence they want they don't actually know. No wonder you haven't found evidence, do you even know what you are looking for?? Or are you of the thinking that we can use tools for observing the physical world, to measure something supernatural that exists outside of time and space?? We are severely limited in what we can see, hear, measure... but we do have something built inside each of us, our innate disposition, our 'fitra' as it's described in the Quran, that compels us to believe in the creative force that caused our existence. That doesn't exist in you?? Again, from the Islamic perspective you have nothing to worry about if you were created differently to the rest of creation, but from my very limited 40 plus years of experience all I've seen is people lying to themselves and following their own whims and desires.

No, I don't know what I'm looking for, and neither do you. Yet you're choosing, with your intellect, to believe something without proof.


A bit like a fairytale then.

And people who don't believe in religion are lying to themselves? Do you know how mental you sound?

 

[e36Adz]

You're bang on, those Conspiracy Theorists caused nothing but trouble for me and my colleagues - absolute idiots.

Exactly my point, no amount of evidence is sufficient so how can anyone claim they need evidence to believe?

We are told even if they were given evidence they would still reject it, they are actually liars and we've all witnessed this. If some are convinced they need to wipe their shopping down with an anti bacterial wipe and that when they're hospitalised after taking jabsl after jab but thanking the experts as they'd be 'so much worse' if they hadn't taken it, tell me honestly, what sort of evidence can you give these people? Most people I know have swept it all under the carpet and pretend like it all never happened. Unfortunately though, you won't be able to sweep your entire life under the carpet and pretend that didn't happen either, death is coming for each and every one of us and reality will be before our eyes.

Don't be one of those with eternal regret.

 

[Narj]

I was given anaesthetic, did a countdown and promptly fell asleep.
About 40 minutes later I woke up and said "I've woken up", the Clinician said "You haven't been asleep".
I argued I'd been asleep but he said you've been having conversations with us
To this day I still wonder what they found out about me

Jesus Christ that is terrifying. I have more skeletons in the closet than the natural history museum.

 

[413x]

I don't blindly follow anything, speak for yourself if anything. We all witnessed blind following of the masses not long ago, these were the so called intellects.

Most of the greatest minds that ever walked the planet were religious to some degree. A simpleton says things like "religious guff". It has no bearing whatsoever on me or anyone else what you choose to believe but don't get so worked up over it.

Evidence? I've noticed when I have these sorts of conversations with atheists and ask them what sort of evidence they want they don't actually know. No wonder you haven't found evidence, do you even know what you are looking for?? Or are you of the thinking that we can use tools for observing the physical world, to measure something supernatural that exists outside of time and space?? We are severely limited in what we can see, hear, measure... but we do have something built inside each of us, our innate disposition, our 'fitra' as it's described in the Quran, that compels us to believe in the creative force that caused our existence. That doesn't exist in you?? Again, from the Islamic perspective you have nothing to worry about if you were created differently to the rest of creation, but from my very limited 40 plus years of experience all I've seen is people lying to themselves and following their own whims and desires.

Evidence would be easy. Something science can't explain.

I've seen too much bad **** in life to even consider there being a "god".

And if there is.. Well, they are twisted if they are all Powerful.

 

[e36Adz]

No, I don't know what I'm looking for, and neither do you. Yet you're choosing, with your intellect, to believe something without proof.


A bit like a fairytale then.

What constitutes as proof for me, may not necessarily be sufficient for you. There are many many 'reasons' why I believe what I believe. I know for example, that every single thing requires a cause. I have never known something to come into existence out of absolute nothingness. I don't believe something can come out of nothing. If everything requires a cause and you keep going back and back you have the problem of infinite regression, the only thing that makes sense to me is that there was something that caused all things. An uncaused cause that all things depend upon. Call it what you want.

 

[Diddums]

What constitutes as proof for me, may not necessarily be sufficient for you. There are many many 'reasons' why I believe what I believe. I know for example, that every single thing requires a cause. I have never known something to come into existence out of absolute nothingness. I don't believe something can come out of nothing. If everything requires a cause and you keep going back and back you have the problem of infinite regression, the only thing that makes sense to me is that there was something that caused all things. An uncaused cause that all things depend upon. Call it what you want.

I do, a fairytale.

Or religion, as many others call it.