Energy Prices (Strictly NO referrals!)

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BUDFORCE said:
I'm guessing you'll pay for it with higher unit cost.


That being said for those with solar that is appealing, for about 3-4 months of the year a good proportion of our bill is just standing charge.
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it does say with the standing charge built into the price per unit and a tariff with it separate so people can choose
 
I live on my own , its mad to think that about 4-5 years ago it used to cost me about £45 - £50 to heat my home a couple of hours a day throughout the month and use the electric.


Now, im paying £55 a month just for electric only, this is without any central heating action or hot water (gas) action.
 
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ljt said:
I live in the west midlands.

Are we on about the same tariff?

I'm on about the standard day tracker tariff where it is set for 24hrs, not the agile one where it changes multiple times throughout the day.

I joined tracker back around March and I've just checked most bills between then and now, and it ranged 16-20p, and my standing charge has also been cheaper than any of the capped/fixed tariffs.
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I put your tariff into a calculator and the average price on your version of tracker in west midlands since March 1st has been 18.72p. Southern Wales for the same period has been 19.37p so there is some regional variation and it also depends on which version of the tariff you are on as that makes a difference. E.g in South Wales the latest version of the tariff has averaged 23.95p over the last 3 months. Pretty clear trend over all the regions though of increasing price.
 
200sols said:
This quote from the article piqued my interest.


Seems to have risen a lot more than 43%. Wonder what @Richie thinks?
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Presumably they are referring to the average standing charge cost from e.g. British gas, not those that were available from the tiny alternate suppliers that went bust because their pricing model wasn't sustainable during the energy crisis?
 
ci_newman said:
Presumably they are referring to the average standing charge cost from e.g. British gas, not those that were available from the tiny alternate suppliers that went bust because their pricing model wasn't sustainable during the energy crisis?
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Still doesn't add up.

Bear in mind charges have crept up a little higher since.

www.theguardian.com

Energy bills: standing charges are not standing still

Despite a 12.3% cut in April’s energy price cap, there is an important fixed element in your bill that is rising again
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
According to the charity National Energy Action, when the new price cap comes into force on Monday, the average standing charge for dual-fuel customers paying by direct debit will be 83% higher than it was in April 2019.

Five years ago, the charges added up to £182.27 a year, while from this April they will be £334.07, accounting for about a fifth of average bills.
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Removing standing charges just means the poor will pay more and struggle to keep warm at the coldest moments. Seems like an odd decision on that basis for any government to make.
 
ljt said:
I live in the west midlands.

Are we on about the same tariff?

I'm on about the standard day tracker tariff where it is set for 24hrs, not the agile one where it changes multiple times throughout the day.

I joined tracker back around March and I've just checked most bills between then and now, and it ranged 16-20p, and my standing charge has also been cheaper than any of the capped/fixed tariffs.
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yup im talking the same tariff and i used the same tracker tariff with the 3, 6 and 12mth averages and at no stage does yours go down to 16p average cost.

unless you keep individual month by month data, that the tracker apps dont provide.
 
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Firestar_3x said:
Price on tracker back down to 30p tomorrow and hopefully another fall after that.
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One of the generators will be back online today, the next one will be Friday and the last one over the weekend or Monday. So it should be back below the cap by the weekend hopefully.

Goes to show how dependent we are on Nuclear and how rubbish renewables are. But the answer isn't to carpet bomb the countryside with ever more windmills, it's to build a dozen or so mini-reactors around the UK.
 
robgmun said:
One of the generators will be back online today, the next one will be Friday and the last one over the weekend or Monday. So it should be back below the cap by the weekend hopefully.

Goes to show how dependent we are on Nuclear and how rubbish renewables are. But the answer isn't to carpet bomb the countryside with ever more windmills, it's to build a dozen or so mini-reactors around the UK.
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You’ve come to the incorrect conclusion there.

What it really shows is how expensive gas fired power stations are….
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
You’ve come to the incorrect conclusion there.

What it really shows is how expensive gas fired power stations are….
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What we need is direct electricity generation so we don't need to rely on gas fired power stations, so my point stands.
 
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200sols said:
Still doesn't add up.

Bear in mind charges have crept up a little higher since.

www.theguardian.com

Energy bills: standing charges are not standing still

Despite a 12.3% cut in April’s energy price cap, there is an important fixed element in your bill that is rising again
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Before almost all customers were on the price cap, Ofgem still had one as a backstop but no-one was on it. Could they be referring to the change in this standing charge, which presumably was a lot higher than most people were paying back then.
 
robgmun said:
What we need is direct electricity generation so we don't need to rely on gas fired power stations, so my point stands.
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It really doesn’t. You criticise wind turbines for the low output which is only for a few days a year while ignoring they are orders of magnitude cheaper than nuclear and gas the other 330 days a year.

Building nuclear power stations is not trivial or cheap. The existing nukes are only a bit cheaper than fossil fuels because they are not built to modern standards and coming to the end of their useful life so there is limited ongoing investment within them. Also, there’s the whole waste thing that keeps costing you an ever increasing amount of money for 10,000 years.

P.S. What does ‘direct electricity generation’ even mean?
 
robgmun said:
One of the generators will be back online today, the next one will be Friday and the last one over the weekend or Monday. So it should be back below the cap by the weekend hopefully.

Goes to show how dependent we are on Nuclear and how rubbish renewables are. But the answer isn't to carpet bomb the countryside with ever more windmills, it's to build a dozen or so mini-reactors around the UK.
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proves how rubbish renewables are? what a bizzare take (unless you are being sarcastic). i will happily take a handful of days per year of overly high prices combined with the rest of the year with low emission cheap wind power.

i do question the insanity of having a planned outage for nuclear in the middle of winter however.

PS I would rather have a wind turbine outside my house than a nuclear reactor............ but that is just me to each their own.
 
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