*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[kieran_read]

If I were faced with a 9070 at $499 vs a 5070 for $550 and both gave similar performance. I would hold my nose, hope 12GB will be enough at 1440p and get the 5070. The 9070 would need to soundly beat a 5070 on price/perf for most people to consider one. That’s just the reality AMD refuse to accept.

No that's the reality people like you are trying to create.

You have 0 interest in buying AMD, in your own words you would spend more money on a equal performing card from Nvidia even though it has lower potential for longentivity due to the lower RAM.

You just want AMD to be cheaper so you can buy Nvidia for cheaper.

You have managed to succeed in saying your a Nvidia fan without saying your a Nvidia fan though.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

B & H in the US has several RX9070 listings up now for a 9am PT 23rd January pre-order date.

 

[Bidley]

If I were faced with a 9070 at $499 vs a 5070 for $550 and both gave similar performance. I would hold my nose, hope 12GB will be enough at 1440p and get the 5070.

Genuine question; why?

 

[Phixsator]

The 9070 XT and 9070 are performing better than I expected according to those AMD benchmark leaks. Though I tend to knock 10% off “official” numbers.

Just about meeting AMDs “RTX 4080 claims”. So while in the face of it $599 is not terrible, especially if they do get close to 5070Ti performance for $150 less. It should still be remembered these are the 7800 XT and 7700 XT replacements and should be at least $50 - $100 cheaper.

It may sound like 10% more cost is hardly a big deal, but it turns a 30% price performance increase into a 20% increase. So suddenly the uplift from a 7800 XT is not that great. Or the comparison to Nvidia is not good.

I predict at $499 people will simply wait for a 5070 to come in to stock. If I were faced with a 9070 at $499 vs a 5070 for $550 and both gave similar performance. I would hold my nose, hope 12GB will be enough at 1440p and get the 5070. The 9070 would need to soundly beat a 5070 on price/perf for most people to consider one. That’s just the reality AMD refuse to accept.

The comparison to a 5070Ti is far more promising but AMD giving 20% lower cost but most likely worse RT has not worked for them in the past. It won’t work now either.

Well let me be the first then to possibly ruin your prediction cause I just don't see myself buying a 5070, mainly due to vram, and the 5070ti is more than I care to spend on an upper midrange card and then we haven't even talked about how I despise nvidia's business practices yet .

 

[kieran_read]

B & H in the US has several RX9070 listings up now for a 9am PT 23rd January pre-order date.

Leads me to believe review embargo dropping in the 23rd with a 24th launch could be accurate.

What a weird launch..

Then again it's working because we can't stop talking about it.

That's just AMD all over isn't it, their best marketing is when they don't market anything.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Leads me to believe review embargo dropping in the 23rd with a 24th launch could be accurate.

What a weird launch..

Then again it's working because we can't stop talking about it.

That's just AMD all over isn't it, their best marketing is when they don't market anything.

Hope it's not another launch with little stock,otherwise we all know UK retailers will increase the price 5 minutes after launch.

 

[Phixsator]

Leads me to believe review embargo dropping in the 23rd with a 24th launch could be accurate.

What a weird launch..

Then again it's working because we can't stop talking about it.

That's just AMD all over isn't it, their best marketing is when they don't market anything.

AMD works in mysterious ways. Don't question our lord and saviour! You may not understand the process but you don't need to. Just have faith. Faith in the lord.
/s

 

[ICDP]

Genuine question; why?

I should qualify that at the res these card will be aimed at is 1440p. The reality is more games support Nvidia features than AMD features. FSR 4 needs to show a decent improvement at anything below 4K for it to match DLSS.

My son’s 7900 XT powers through raster 1440p games with ease. Start adding higher RT and you can see where performance starts to suffer. Enabling quality FSR at 1440p is fine, but when you move to balanced or performance, that’s when you see FSR at its worst.

So if FSR 4 is a big improvement and more importantly backward compatible with 3.1 games, great… problem solved. If not then you would be better sticking with Nvidia.

 

[kieran_read]

Hope it's not another launch with little stock,otherwise we all know UK retailers will increase the price 5 minutes after launch.

Yeh defo.

My rule is if the 9070xt is around or under £600 for an AIB ill get it.

If it's over 600 I'll wait for the 5080/5070ti reviews so I can compare them with full results and make a more informed judgement.

Under 600 I can't see Nvidia being competitive, over 600 the 5070ti could compete depending on its reviewed uplift and the closer the price is to a 5080 it would be worth getting a 5080.

5070 is out of the question with 12gb RAM

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yeh defo.

My rule is if the 9070xt is around or under £600 for an AIB ill get it.

If it's over 600 I'll wait for the 5080/5070ti reviews so I can compare them with full results and make a more informed judgement.

Under 600 I can't see Nvidia being competitive, over 600 the 5070ti could compete depending on its reviewed uplift and the closer the price is to a 5080 it would be worth getting a 5080.

5070 is out of the question with 12gb RAM

I want an RX9070 under £500 if the near RX7900XT level performance and 220W TDP are true.

 

[ICDP]

Yeah, at under £600 for the 9070 XT AIBs if it is close to 5070Ti performance and FSR 4 just works well and has plenty of supported games. At this it will be a good (not great) price.

A 9070 under £500 is again just decent but not great IMHO.

If those are baseline MBA prices then expect AIBs to be adding an additional £50 plus on to the prices.

 

[kieran_read]

I want an RX9070 under £500 if the near RX7900XT level performance and 220W TDP are true.

Well if the 9070xt ends up being 600 I'd want the 9070 to be about 450 I think 100 cheaper is a little too close, as we're then in the territory where AIB 9070 are more expensive than entry 9070xt

 

[Phixsator]

Well if the 9070xt ends up being 600 I'd want the 9070 to be about 450 I think 100 cheaper is a little too close, as we're then in the territory where AIB 9070 are more expensive than entry 9070xt

Yeah it would be another 7900XT vs XTX again.

 

[TNA]

No that's the reality people like you are trying to create.

You have 0 interest in buying AMD, in your own words you would spend more money on a equal performing card from Nvidia even though it has lower potential for longentivity due to the lower RAM.

You just want AMD to be cheaper so you can buy Nvidia for cheaper.

You have managed to succeed in saying your a Nvidia fan without saying your a Nvidia fan though.

If he carries on, remind him. A wise man once said:

First rule of holes, when you find yourself in one, put down the shovel.

 

[Bidley]

I should qualify that at the res these card will be aimed at is 1440p. The reality is more games support Nvidia features than AMD features. FSR 4 needs to show a decent improvement at anything below 4K for it to match DLSS.

My son’s 7900 XT powers through raster 1440p games with ease. Start adding higher RT and you can see where performance starts to suffer. Enabling quality FSR at 1440p is fine, but when you move to balanced or performance, that’s when you see FSR at its worst.

So if FSR 4 is a big improvement and more importantly backward compatible with 3.1 games, great… problem solved. If not then you would be better sticking with Nvidia.

Fair and that's similar to the position I'm in.

Raster performance is likely to be on a par, I'm looking for decent RT and upscaling. If the Radeon can give a more balanced performance showing between raster and RT, with improved FSR4 then nearly any price reduction over a 5070ti is worth it for me.

Worth noting that AMD's slide explicitly said FSR4 would be enabled in games that support 3.1.

Also keep in mind the **** listing an entry level 5070ti at £889. The 5070ti needs to be very strong to make that a better prospect than a £600 9070xt. Kind of blows the idea that the 9070xt needs to be cheaper than a £575 4070ti out of the water, when Nvidia can't even price against their last gen at blowout prices.

 

[humbug]

Nvidia are overpriced, that doesn't mean AMD have to slowly make themselves bankrupt as a counter measure.

In Q3 last year AMD made $462 Million revenue and out of that $12 Million profit from gaming GPU's. (2.6%)

In the same quarter Nvidia made $3,300 Million revenue and $2,462 Million Profit from gaming GPU's. (74.6%)

If the 5070 Ti is $750 but the 9070 XT $600 'the problem is with AMD not Nvidia' "if...if... if they want to gain marketshare" Yeah ok so $500, now the 5070 Ti is 50% more expensive, AMD go from 10% market share to 20% with zero margins.... now what? What do AMD do now that they have R&D costs but zero profit from their sales and 20% marketshare? Do they keep going like this and not R&D newer / better products? What one might call the ATI model of fighting Nvidia, its why they went bust, or do they start to push the price up again so they have some R&D?

I'm asking because these clever people on Youtube keep making it about AMD when Nvidia charge too much but never explain how AMD forever slashing prices is going to help that! Because these people are really not very clever at all, they are in fact incredibly stupid.

 

[ICDP]

Yeah it would be another 7900XT vs XTX again.

Well I suppose at the lower price point it would be much better as a percentage.

The 7900 XT was 10% cheaper than the XTX

At the rumoured prices the non XT is 18% cheaper than the XT. So perfectly reasonable for a difference in percentage terms.

 

[greatash]

If I were faced with a 9070 at $499 vs a 5070 for $550 and both gave similar performance. I would hold my nose, hope 12GB will be enough at 1440p and get the 5070. The 9070 would need to soundly beat a 5070 on price/perf for most people to consider one. That’s just the reality AMD refuse to accept.

Same here. It's the same trade off as the last 2 gens, $50 discount and more vram (same vram in the case of 5070ti) vs the Nvidia software suite. I use DLSS & RTX HDR all the time so its not worth losing those for such a small discount. Then there's the better RT performance, new tech like the neural texture stuff, old games remastered with RTX remix, NVENC, CUDA etc.
Hell I'm still using PhysX when I play old games like Metro 2033 or Mirrors Edge.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Nvidia are overpriced, that doesn't mean AMD have to slowly make themselves bankrupt as a counter measure.

In Q3 last year AMD made $462 Million revenue and out of that $12 Million profit from gaming GPU's. (2.6%)

In the same quarter Nvidia made $3,300 Million revenue and $2,462 Million Profit from gaming GPU's. (76.4%)

If the 5070 Ti is $750 but the 9070 XT $600 'the problem is with AMD not Nvidia' "if...if... if they want to gain marketshare" Yeah ok so $500, now the 5070 Ti is 50% more expensive, AMD go from 10% market share to 20% with zero margins.... now what? What do AMD do now that they have R&D costs but zero profit from their sales and 20% marketshare? Do they keep going like this and not R&D newer / better products? What one might call the ATI model of fighting Nvidia, its why they went bust, or do they start to push the price up again so they have some R&D?

I'm asking because these clever people on Youtube keep making it about AMD when Nvidia charge too much but never explain how AMD forever slashing prices is going to help that! Because these people are really not very clever at all, they are in fact incredibly stupid.

The RTX5070 will probably be close to an RTX4070TI at £540 and the FE coolers are decent. The RX9070 probably will be a bit faster in rasterised,slower in RT and with worse software support for certain features. AMD has to be cheaper otherwise their share will be 5% at the rate it's going. Look at some of the figures earlier in the thread,the RX9070 looks around 25% faster overall compared to an RX7800XT.

If an RX7800XT can be 50% faster than an RX6700XT and the RX6700XT 33% faster than an RX5700XT,then an RX9070 non-XT can't be over £500. If anything the RX9070XT is really the true RX7800XT replacement.

I also couldn't give two ***** about what Nvidia is doing - AMD is also competing against it's own products too.

 

[ICDP]

Nvidia are overpriced, that doesn't mean AMD have to slowly make themselves bankrupt as a counter measure.

In Q3 last year AMD made $462 Million revenue and out of that $12 Million profit from gaming GPU's. (2.6%)

In the same quarter Nvidia made $3,300 Million revenue and $2,462 Million Profit from gaming GPU's. (74.6%)

If the 5070 Ti is $750 but the 9070 XT $600 'the problem is with AMD not Nvidia' "if...if... if they want to gain marketshare" Yeah ok so $500, now the 5070 Ti is 50% more expensive, AMD go from 10% market share to 20% with zero margins.... now what? What do AMD do now that they have R&D costs but zero profit from their sales and 20% marketshare? Do they keep going like this and not R&D newer / better products? What one might call the ATI model of fighting Nvidia, its why they went bust, or do they start to push the price up again so they have some R&D?

I'm asking because these clever people on Youtube keep making it about AMD when Nvidia charge too much but never explain how AMD forever slashing prices is going to help that! Because these people are really not very clever at all, they are in fact incredibly stupid.

You keep missing the main point, that these GPUs are the 7800 XT and 7700 XT replacements. So AMD absolutely designed and built these to turn a profit and compete against itself AT THOSE PRICE POINTS. AMD will not be selling at anything close to a loss at the release MSRP of the 7800 XT and 7700 XT.

So upping prices “just cus Nvidiia” is not even remotely the point. It’s not about what Nvidia do. Get out of the mindset of “well Nvidia prices suck so AMD get a bye ball when theirs suck” mentality.