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No that's the reality people like you are trying to create.
You have 0 interest in buying AMD, in your own words you would spend more money on a equal performing card from Nvidia even though it has lower potential for longentivity due to the lower RAM.
You just want AMD to be cheaper so you can buy Nvidia for cheaper.
You have managed to succeed in saying your a Nvidia fan without saying your a Nvidia fan though.
Caporegime
B & H in the US has several RX9070 listings up now for a 9am PT 23rd January pre-order date.
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Genuine question; why?
Well let me be the first then to possibly ruin your prediction
cause I just don't see myself buying a 5070, mainly due to vram, and the 5070ti is more than I care to spend on an upper midrange card and then we haven't even talked about how I despise nvidia's business practices yet 
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Leads me to believe review embargo dropping in the 23rd with a 24th launch could be accurate.
What a weird launch..
Then again it's working because we can't stop talking about it.
That's just AMD all over isn't it, their best marketing is when they don't market anything.
Caporegime
Hope it's not another launch with little stock,otherwise we all know UK retailers will increase the price 5 minutes after launch.
AMD works in mysterious ways. Don't question our lord and saviour! You may not understand the process but you don't need to. Just have faith. Faith in the lord.
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I should qualify that at the res these card will be aimed at is 1440p. The reality is more games support Nvidia features than AMD features. FSR 4 needs to show a decent improvement at anything below 4K for it to match DLSS.
My son’s 7900 XT powers through raster 1440p games with ease. Start adding higher RT and you can see where performance starts to suffer. Enabling quality FSR at 1440p is fine, but when you move to balanced or performance, that’s when you see FSR at its worst.
So if FSR 4 is a big improvement and more importantly backward compatible with 3.1 games, great… problem solved. If not then you would be better sticking with Nvidia.
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Yeh defo.
My rule is if the 9070xt is around or under £600 for an AIB ill get it.
If it's over 600 I'll wait for the 5080/5070ti reviews so I can compare them with full results and make a more informed judgement.
Under 600 I can't see Nvidia being competitive, over 600 the 5070ti could compete depending on its reviewed uplift and the closer the price is to a 5080 it would be worth getting a 5080.
5070 is out of the question with 12gb RAM
Caporegime
I want an RX9070 under £500 if the near RX7900XT level performance and 220W TDP are true.
Yeah, at under £600 for the 9070 XT AIBs if it is close to 5070Ti performance and FSR 4 just works well and has plenty of supported games. At this it will be a good (not great) price.
A 9070 under £500 is again just decent but not great IMHO.
If those are baseline MBA prices then expect AIBs to be adding an additional £50 plus on to the prices.
A 9070 under £500 is again just decent but not great IMHO.
If those are baseline MBA prices then expect AIBs to be adding an additional £50 plus on to the prices.
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Well if the 9070xt ends up being 600 I'd want the 9070 to be about 450 I think 100 cheaper is a little too close, as we're then in the territory where AIB 9070 are more expensive than entry 9070xt
Yeah it would be another 7900XT vs XTX again.
Fair and that's similar to the position I'm in.
Raster performance is likely to be on a par, I'm looking for decent RT and upscaling. If the Radeon can give a more balanced performance showing between raster and RT, with improved FSR4 then nearly any price reduction over a 5070ti is worth it for me.
Worth noting that AMD's slide explicitly said FSR4 would be enabled in games that support 3.1.
Also keep in mind the **** listing an entry level 5070ti at £889. The 5070ti needs to be very strong to make that a better prospect than a £600 9070xt. Kind of blows the idea that the 9070xt needs to be cheaper than a £575 4070ti out of the water, when Nvidia can't even price against their last gen at blowout prices.
Nvidia are overpriced, that doesn't mean AMD have to slowly make themselves bankrupt as a counter measure.
In Q3 last year AMD made $462 Million revenue and out of that $12 Million profit from gaming GPU's. (2.6%)
In the same quarter Nvidia made $3,300 Million revenue and $2,462 Million Profit from gaming GPU's. (74.6%)
If the 5070 Ti is $750 but the 9070 XT $600 'the problem is with AMD not Nvidia' "if...if... if they want to gain marketshare" Yeah ok so $500, now the 5070 Ti is 50% more expensive, AMD go from 10% market share to 20% with zero margins.... now what? What do AMD do now that they have R&D costs but zero profit from their sales and 20% marketshare? Do they keep going like this and not R&D newer / better products? What one might call the ATI model of fighting Nvidia, its why they went bust, or do they start to push the price up again so they have some R&D?
I'm asking because these clever people on Youtube keep making it about AMD when Nvidia charge too much but never explain how AMD forever slashing prices is going to help that! Because these people are really not very clever at all, they are in fact incredibly stupid.
In Q3 last year AMD made $462 Million revenue and out of that $12 Million profit from gaming GPU's. (2.6%)
In the same quarter Nvidia made $3,300 Million revenue and $2,462 Million Profit from gaming GPU's. (74.6%)
If the 5070 Ti is $750 but the 9070 XT $600 'the problem is with AMD not Nvidia' "if...if... if they want to gain marketshare" Yeah ok so $500, now the 5070 Ti is 50% more expensive, AMD go from 10% market share to 20% with zero margins.... now what? What do AMD do now that they have R&D costs but zero profit from their sales and 20% marketshare? Do they keep going like this and not R&D newer / better products? What one might call the ATI model of fighting Nvidia, its why they went bust, or do they start to push the price up again so they have some R&D?
I'm asking because these clever people on Youtube keep making it about AMD when Nvidia charge too much but never explain how AMD forever slashing prices is going to help that! Because these people are really not very clever at all, they are in fact incredibly stupid.
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Well I suppose at the lower price point it would be much better as a percentage.
The 7900 XT was 10% cheaper than the XTX
At the rumoured prices the non XT is 18% cheaper than the XT. So perfectly reasonable for a difference in percentage terms.
Same here. It's the same trade off as the last 2 gens, $50 discount and more vram (same vram in the case of 5070ti) vs the Nvidia software suite. I use DLSS & RTX HDR all the time so its not worth losing those for such a small discount. Then there's the better RT performance, new tech like the neural texture stuff, old games remastered with RTX remix, NVENC, CUDA etc.
Hell I'm still using PhysX when I play old games like Metro 2033 or Mirrors Edge.
Caporegime
The RTX5070 will probably be close to an RTX4070TI at £540 and the FE coolers are decent. The RX9070 probably will be a bit faster in rasterised,slower in RT and with worse software support for certain features. AMD has to be cheaper otherwise their share will be 5% at the rate it's going. Look at some of the figures earlier in the thread,the RX9070 looks around 25% faster overall compared to an RX7800XT.
If an RX7800XT can be 50% faster than an RX6700XT and the RX6700XT 33% faster than an RX5700XT,then an RX9070 non-XT can't be over £500. If anything the RX9070XT is really the true RX7800XT replacement.
I also couldn't give two ***** about what Nvidia is doing - AMD is also competing against it's own products too.
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