I saw a vid on that, pretty impressive! I expect it will be a loooong time before that finds it way into mainstream use. It may well eventually render (
) a long of conventional computing techniques totally obsolete.-
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Right lets talk everyone - are we all just been psychologically tricked into "needing" new graphics cards?
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I saw a vid on that, pretty impressive! I expect it will be a loooong time before that finds it way into mainstream use. It may well eventually render (
) a long of conventional computing techniques totally obsolete.
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100% "depends".
For gaming? Maybe. Depends on what you're doing. Too many variables there including your display, frames needed/desired, settings, PSU limitations, CPU limtations, memory limitations, and more that may mean a new graphics card is not necessary or needed because you are held back elsewhere.
For Machine Learning / AI stuff? You ever try to do something and you get Out of Memory? If so, you "need" a new graphics card to continue. But also only if it's got more VRAM. Especially if the only packages out there only currently support CUDA. Because when you're Out of Memory, that's it, there's no workaround (that's GPU based) at that point that you can do anything about.
For gaming? Maybe. Depends on what you're doing. Too many variables there including your display, frames needed/desired, settings, PSU limitations, CPU limtations, memory limitations, and more that may mean a new graphics card is not necessary or needed because you are held back elsewhere.
For Machine Learning / AI stuff? You ever try to do something and you get Out of Memory? If so, you "need" a new graphics card to continue. But also only if it's got more VRAM. Especially if the only packages out there only currently support CUDA. Because when you're Out of Memory, that's it, there's no workaround (that's GPU based) at that point that you can do anything about.
your unlikely to notice any difference when actually playing.
I dropped 70 fps in one game in 4k, no difference in gameplay.
so why overpay for a card?
Looking at options for a 6950xt it really isnt any.
paying 4x as much for an small upgrade make no sense with no gameplay difference
I dropped 70 fps in one game in 4k, no difference in gameplay.
so why overpay for a card?
Looking at options for a 6950xt it really isnt any.
paying 4x as much for an small upgrade make no sense with no gameplay difference
I'd say the 6950xt/4070ti/7800xt/3090 is really where the diminshing returns in what you get for the price/experience starts dropping off a cliff.
I moved from a 4090 to a 6950xt last month in prep for 5000-series (and ironically, moving back to a 4090 shortly). The move was eye opening for me. In the past, I'd had to move back several generations e.g. 3090 to a 980 ti when I'd sold my primary card or my primary card was RMA'ed. This round, I picked up a "cheap" 6950xt (I would say "cheap" because it cost 1/4 the 4090). The drop off in actual "experience" was marginal at most.
The situation today isn't like previous gens where you literally couldn't run some games at high settings on midrange GPUs. And while others may feel 60FPS vs 110fps and maintaining balls-to-the wall highest settings makes a massive difference in your gaming experience: to me, it does not. More poignantly, it's not worth 3-4x the price. These choices are not always rational, and I get that. We love this hobby and aren't alway objectives in decisions. But we should be somewhat honest with ourselves on what we need to enjoy gaming, and measure that against cost. These are graphics cards that sit in our PCs and allow us to play video games, but hilariously, some people think about them like their ferraris that can be exhibited (which probably explains the also comical gloating you see her in the forums).
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...because you are solely looking at from your use case and perspective.So why this hysterical "NEED" to play this game on a 5090? Many times I've seen comments on here 'oh im waiting to play it 'properly' on a 5090
Are we all just kidding ourselves? I literally fail to see how having a 5090 would make it any better, sure it would run at a few more fps, but the latency would actually go up once you start throwing on DLSS etc
Get a high resolution PCVR headset and I'd suggest your opinion might shift a bit. For me I doubt I'll get a 5090 because it is not powerful enough!
Maybe the problem is VR not being optimized; most VR games look ugly no matter what resolution you use
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It's a problem when the best game to date on VR is still Half Life Alyx which was 5 years ago.
I am happy with my 3080. It plays everything I want and earned a tidy amount of Ethereum during the moning boom.
I would not be happy to spend money on something better.
I predict I will pick up a 5000/8000 series card when people start selling them second hand.
I would not be happy to spend money on something better.
I predict I will pick up a 5000/8000 series card when people start selling them second hand.
Yeah man that time was one hell of a moaning boom I can tell you!
This is my frustration. VR when done well eg Alyx is game changing and will be a gaming memory forever. RT done well is a cosmetic that is nice to have but as people are kinda forced to buy into RT due to nvidia and lack of competition it has more support. I'd argue that vr over the last year's has more memorable content than RT. But the RT hype train is telling people they need this game changing tech. Half life Alyx vr made a much bigger impact than PT in Cyberpunk.
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As someone who has owned several VR headsets and played over 100 VR games, I'll be the first to tell anyone who asks that VR sucks and it's a dying fad
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The depth perception that comes with VR is great for sim racing. The ability to turn my head to see track elements before they would be visible on triples is also helpful. But then, sim racing is it's on tiny market and VR is only part of that. I still hope VR continues to advance and get supported by developers. I haven't tried Flight sims yet, but the way that VR puts you *in* the game rather than in front of the game has got to be nice for that genre too.
Personally I have an old GPU (Vega 64) and there isn't much stock, and the prices for the GPUs that are left aren't great considering they're about to become old news.
If I could snag one of these new GPUs about to launch at a reasonable price that would be great.
I can definitely see why people don't feel the need to upgrade from their 4000 series GPUs as the 5000 series aren't offering much for them.
Upgrading every 2-3 cycles seems to make more sense to me, but if at the higher end the GPUs are keeping their market value, I can also understand why people may want to try sell them off then upgrade.
If I could snag one of these new GPUs about to launch at a reasonable price that would be great.
I can definitely see why people don't feel the need to upgrade from their 4000 series GPUs as the 5000 series aren't offering much for them.
Upgrading every 2-3 cycles seems to make more sense to me, but if at the higher end the GPUs are keeping their market value, I can also understand why people may want to try sell them off then upgrade.
You are looking at it wrong. The problem with VR isn’t the experience. It’s the hassle that the vast majority can’t be arsed with. I enjoy VR but haven’t used my VP2 in months because like most people, can only use It comfortably for 30 minutes or so. I tried many HMDs and always have the same “enough of this” after 30 - 40 minutes.
It’s a fad because using it for the majority is a chore and uncomfortable.
Pretty much all of this.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed playing Elite for a good while on it - it was amazing but my shoulder and eyes didn't like me for it
Not touched it for ages.
Yep same here, I've never managed to find a solution for this - each time I want to use VR I need to spend time setting it up and then after 20/30 mins I can no longer play and have to put it away. The time it takes to setup and also pack it away again is as much as the actual time spent playing a game
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