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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - (PRE)ORDER DISCUSSION **NO COMPETITOR HINTING**
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I'm not an expert in international trade law, but I don't believe a product's base materials would make it subject the US tariffs -- it's where the product (and its constituant components are manufactured.
However, while supply may marginally improve for other regions if US tariffs on China go into effect (when it sounds now, but who knows woth Orange Cataline), prices will increase in at least some way in all regions including UK.
Usually tariffs apply to the country that either:
* assembled the product or
* where the majority of its components come from or
* the country that added the most value to the finished product (most of the time this happens to also be the country that assembled it, unless the product is assembled in multiple countries, then you decide which step added the most value)
It's usually one of these three that are used to determine who pays tariffs
* assembled the product or
* where the majority of its components come from or
* the country that added the most value to the finished product (most of the time this happens to also be the country that assembled it, unless the product is assembled in multiple countries, then you decide which step added the most value)
It's usually one of these three that are used to determine who pays tariffs
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Oh yeah I agree Intel and AMD just simply aren't competing at the high end at least for GPUs which is a shame.
Was referring more to Nvidia's next gen cards after 50 series, I don't want Nvidia to focus solely on AI and DLSS/FrameGen trickery for all their future cards, but with no competition at the high end this is probably the direction they will take.
I'm also starting to think looking at the full GB202 die that this time Nvidia will launch a Titan or 5090Ti in 6 months or so, there is plenty of headroom for it, and could be a reason the performance increase from 4090 isn't as drastic this time.
Hopefully I'm wrong though and the raw performance benchmarks for 5090 are a good 30-40% faster overall, fingers crossed
Tariffs affect significantly more than that. They have a knock on affect on all goods as tariffs both directly and indirectly affect companies bottom lines. So they either cut workforce, or raise prices on all goods. Even those not directly impacted by tariffs.
It’s far more nuanced than just “this wasn’t made in China” because at some stage most of these large corporations are trading with China. So the loss of trade or increased cost of trade forces them to raise ALL their prices to compensate. This means higher consumer prices on a very large range of goods, regardless of it doesn’t have a “made in China” label.
Tariffs restrict growth overall and restricted growth means higher unemployment and the cycle continues. So yes, tariffs will still affect GPUs, even indirectly. Why do you think Nvidia have been moving 5000 series stock to US storage to circumvent the incoming tariffs?
Don’t naively assume that a 10% - 20% increase in cost and subsequent loss of sales to the US, simply means “yay more for us in Europe”. Companies will see that as lost sales and raise prices in the rest of the world to compensate. Or even cut US MSRP while raising it elsewhere to cover the “losses”.
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Hmmm, I wonder if the Project Stargate they announced will impact on prices of GPUs in the near or distant future? If the US is dumping so much into that (including GPU's I'm guessing), will that impact on how much consumers can get and hence cause price hikes?
They'd want to make sure that the tariffs doesn't include blackwell chips then I'd imagine??
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Well, I was thinking more stock/supply demand driving prices even worse than it will be. Or will they only use the workstation GPUs used for AI and thus the consumer cards aren't impacted by supply issues? Hmmm... *ponders*
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"As part of Stargate, Oracle, NVIDIA, and OpenAI will closely collaborate to build and operate this computing system. This builds on a deep collaboration between OpenAI and NVIDIA going back to 2016 and a newer partnership between OpenAI and Oracle."
They'll use the big server versions like https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/data-center/gb200-nvl72/?ncid=no-ncid
Retailers, AIBs, and System Integrators warn of GeForce RTX 50 series shortages and delays - VideoCardz.com
GeForce RTX 50 in short supply NVIDIA has a problem with GPU shipments. NVIDIA made several mistakes during the announcement of the RTX 50 series. Board partners were unable to prepare stock before the end of the year because the company failed to provide the final BIOS on time. Now, it seems...
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Yes stock is arriving which normally gets quarantined but on this occasion procedure was not followed correctly which led to them showing in stock and emails going out. This is now resolved and thanks to my fake pricing no one placed an order, proof that crazy high fake prices do work if something goes wrong.
To echo above though yes 50 series will be short, probably for a few months especially with CNY in the mix as well, going to be fun.
Hi this is my first time buying off release. People said last year it took the 4090 11 minutes to sell out. Is stock for the 5090 looking worser than the 4090 launch?
Thanks for updating Gibbo! We love the transparency.
Will there be a stock number summary this time, similar to the 40 series launch? Thanks
Can look but volumes are small so expecting chaos if honest so people will need be very patient as with CNY I suspect product will be crazy short until March earliest but can foresee shortages and constraints for months as demand will be very high.
We are expecting far higher demand than 40 series and maybe as strong as 30 series so I’ll just say this if you see an opportunity to buy and get one just do it no matter where it’s from as long as it’s not double or triple price of course.
Those who are patient just wait a few months and things should improve as NVIDIA release more and more of 50 series stack.
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Thanks Gibbo! A stock volume summary would be very much appreciated.
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Here comes the chaos I love it!!!!!! Once more unto the breach, my friends.
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