NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - (PRE)ORDER DISCUSSION **NO COMPETITOR HINTING**

[GoRedwings19]

Still a little early to be getting too hyped about the Blackwell cards in my opinion, I am interested in the 5090 and have the cash saved to buy one but won't be buying anything till I've seen some proper benchmarks and comparisons to my current 4090 without DLSS and Frame Gen.
I think Frame Gen and DLSS are great when a card is a few years old and struggling with newer titles, but I refuse to spend £2.5k+ on a new GPU only to have the majority of the gains being down to software rather than processing power.
If the raw improvements are the rumoured less than 20% faster across the board then we should all send Nvidia a message by not buying them.
Not wanting to be a party pooper of course but the 50 series is looking rather a lot like the 20 series was back in 2018 which was the last time I also skipped a gen entirely, fingers crossed the reviews are glowing and if so I'll be here at 2pm on the 30th of course trying to get lucky

But graphics cards sales only contribute 10% of global revenue to Nvidia coffers. You can and everyone can vote with their wallets but Nvidia still won’t give a damn.

When a company has been allowed to the grow so big to the point whether you buy or don’t buy they are indifferent then the graphics card manufacturer landscape needs to change. Will it be intel or amd to fight the good fight on our behalf?

Neither, intel have already proven they don’t give a flying F from their cpu division. They are only are trying to appease us in the budget section of graphics cards sector as that the only place that has any sort of momentum going forward for the time being at least as the company as a whole is in a bad place.

AMD can’t seem to capitalise on nvidia boo boos and while their cpu is hugely popular and successful they can’t seem to turn it around with their graphics card section.

 

[GoRedwings19]

Most gfx cards are made in Taiwan, but Zotac and Sapphire and some other Radeon brands are made in China. That said of even those cards that are made in Taiwan, the parts (capacitors etc etc) are imported from China, so manufacturers are diverting cards to the US before tariffs are imposed. If tariffs do get added, then we can probably expect a lot more supply to Europe as US demand falls

Where do you think the minerals to make CPU’s come from?

 

[harmattan]

Where do you think the minerals to make CPU’s come from?

I'm not an expert in international trade law, but I don't believe a product's base materials would make it subject the US tariffs -- it's where the product (and its constituant components are manufactured.

However, while supply may marginally improve for other regions if US tariffs on China go into effect (when it sounds now, but who knows woth Orange Cataline), prices will increase in at least some way in all regions including UK.

 

[Grim5]

Usually tariffs apply to the country that either:

* assembled the product or

* where the majority of its components come from or

* the country that added the most value to the finished product (most of the time this happens to also be the country that assembled it, unless the product is assembled in multiple countries, then you decide which step added the most value)


It's usually one of these three that are used to determine who pays tariffs

 

[mattp1986]

But graphics cards sales only contribute 10% of global revenue to Nvidia coffers. You can and everyone can vote with their wallets but Nvidia still won’t give a damn.

When a company has been allowed to the grow so big to the point whether you buy or don’t buy they are indifferent then the graphics card manufacturer landscape needs to change. Will it be intel or amd to fight the good fight on our behalf?

Neither, intel have already proven they don’t give a flying F from their cpu division. They are only are trying to appease us in the budget section of graphics cards sector as that the only place that has any sort of momentum going forward for the time being at least as the company as a whole is in a bad place.

AMD can’t seem to capitalise on nvidia boo boos and while their cpu is hugely popular and successful they can’t seem to turn it around with their graphics card section.

Oh yeah I agree Intel and AMD just simply aren't competing at the high end at least for GPUs which is a shame.
Was referring more to Nvidia's next gen cards after 50 series, I don't want Nvidia to focus solely on AI and DLSS/FrameGen trickery for all their future cards, but with no competition at the high end this is probably the direction they will take.
I'm also starting to think looking at the full GB202 die that this time Nvidia will launch a Titan or 5090Ti in 6 months or so, there is plenty of headroom for it, and could be a reason the performance increase from 4090 isn't as drastic this time.
Hopefully I'm wrong though and the raw performance benchmarks for 5090 are a good 30-40% faster overall, fingers crossed

 

[ICDP]

I'm not an expert in international trade law, but I don't believe a product's base materials would make it subject the US tariffs -- it's where the product (and its constituant components are manufactured.

However, while supply may marginally improve for other regions if US tariffs on China go into effect (when it sounds now, but who knows woth Orange Cataline), prices will increase in at least some way in all regions including UK.

Tariffs affect significantly more than that. They have a knock on affect on all goods as tariffs both directly and indirectly affect companies bottom lines. So they either cut workforce, or raise prices on all goods. Even those not directly impacted by tariffs.

It’s far more nuanced than just “this wasn’t made in China” because at some stage most of these large corporations are trading with China. So the loss of trade or increased cost of trade forces them to raise ALL their prices to compensate. This means higher consumer prices on a very large range of goods, regardless of it doesn’t have a “made in China” label.

Tariffs restrict growth overall and restricted growth means higher unemployment and the cycle continues. So yes, tariffs will still affect GPUs, even indirectly. Why do you think Nvidia have been moving 5000 series stock to US storage to circumvent the incoming tariffs?

Don’t naively assume that a 10% - 20% increase in cost and subsequent loss of sales to the US, simply means “yay more for us in Europe”. Companies will see that as lost sales and raise prices in the rest of the world to compensate. Or even cut US MSRP while raising it elsewhere to cover the “losses”.

 

[KNiVES]

Trump is threatening 10% tariffs on China by February 1st, we'll see if that goes through.
They benefit no-one, and I really hope the man listens to somebody for once in his life.

 

[Meddling-Monk]

Hmmm, I wonder if the Project Stargate they announced will impact on prices of GPUs in the near or distant future? If the US is dumping so much into that (including GPU's I'm guessing), will that impact on how much consumers can get and hence cause price hikes?

 

[parisv]

Hmmm, I wonder if the Project Stargate they announced will impact on prices of GPUs in the near or distant future? If the US is dumping so much into that (including GPU's I'm guessing), will that impact on how much consumers can get and hence cause price hikes?

They'd want to make sure that the tariffs doesn't include blackwell chips then I'd imagine??

 

[Meddling-Monk]

They'd want to make sure that the tariffs doesn't include blackwell chips then I'd imagine??

Well, I was thinking more stock/supply demand driving prices even worse than it will be. Or will they only use the workstation GPUs used for AI and thus the consumer cards aren't impacted by supply issues? Hmmm... *ponders*

 

[parisv]

Well, I was thinking more stock/supply demand driving prices even worse than it will be. Or will they only use the workstation GPUs used for AI and thus the consumer cards aren't impacted by supply issues? Hmmm... *ponders*

https://openai.com/index/announcing-the-stargate-project/

"As part of Stargate, Oracle, NVIDIA, and OpenAI will closely collaborate to build and operate this computing system. This builds on a deep collaboration between OpenAI and NVIDIA going back to 2016 and a newer partnership between OpenAI and Oracle."

They'll use the big server versions like https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/data-center/gb200-nvl72/?ncid=no-ncid

 

[parisv]

Retailers, AIBs, and System Integrators warn of GeForce RTX 50 series shortages and delays - VideoCardz.com

GeForce RTX 50 in short supply NVIDIA has a problem with GPU shipments. NVIDIA made several mistakes during the announcement of the RTX 50 series. Board partners were unable to prepare stock before the end of the year because the company failed to provide the final BIOS on time. Now, it seems...

videocardz.com

 

[KNiVES]

Just got an email notification from OCUK that the gainward 5080 is in stock with a buy button... obviously the price isn't final and wouldn't be honored anyway, but something is rumbling behind the scenes.

 

[Gibbo]

Just got an email notification from OCUK that the gainward 5080 is in stock with a buy button... obviously the price isn't final and wouldn't be honored anyway, but something is rumbling behind the scenes.

Yes stock is arriving which normally gets quarantined but on this occasion procedure was not followed correctly which led to them showing in stock and emails going out. This is now resolved and thanks to my fake pricing no one placed an order, proof that crazy high fake prices do work if something goes wrong.

To echo above though yes 50 series will be short, probably for a few months especially with CNY in the mix as well, going to be fun.

 

[acs]

Yes stock is arriving which normally gets quarantined but on this occasion procedure was not followed correctly which led to them showing in stock and emails going out. This is now resolved and thanks to my fake pricing no one placed an order, proof that crazy high fake prices do work if something goes wrong.

To echo above though yes 50 series will be short, probably for a few months especially with CNY in the mix as well, going to be fun.

Hi this is my first time buying off release. People said last year it took the 4090 11 minutes to sell out. Is stock for the 5090 looking worser than the 4090 launch?

 

[JustHappy]

Yes stock is arriving which normally gets quarantined but on this occasion procedure was not followed correctly which led to them showing in stock and emails going out. This is now resolved and thanks to my fake pricing no one placed an order, proof that crazy high fake prices do work if something goes wrong.

To echo above though yes 50 series will be short, probably for a few months especially with CNY in the mix as well, going to be fun.

Thanks for updating Gibbo! We love the transparency.

Will there be a stock number summary this time, similar to the 40 series launch? Thanks

 

[Gibbo]

Thanks for updating Gibbo! We love the transparency.

Will there be a stock number summary this time, similar to the 40 series launch? Thanks

Can look but volumes are small so expecting chaos if honest so people will need be very patient as with CNY I suspect product will be crazy short until March earliest but can foresee shortages and constraints for months as demand will be very high.

We are expecting far higher demand than 40 series and maybe as strong as 30 series so I’ll just say this if you see an opportunity to buy and get one just do it no matter where it’s from as long as it’s not double or triple price of course.

Those who are patient just wait a few months and things should improve as NVIDIA release more and more of 50 series stack.

 

[JustHappy]

Can look but volumes are small so expecting chaos if honest so people will need be very patient as with CNY I suspect product will be crazy short until March earliest but can foresee shortages and constraints for months as demand will be very high.

We are expecting far higher demand than 40 series and maybe as strong as 30 series so I’ll just say this if you see an opportunity to buy and get one just do it no matter where it’s from as long as it’s not double or triple price of course.

Those who are patient just wait a few months and things should improve as NVIDIA release more and more of 50 series stack.

Thanks Gibbo! A stock volume summary would be very much appreciated.

 

[GoRedwings19]

Can look but volumes are small so expecting chaos if honest so people will need be very patient as with CNY I suspect product will be crazy short until March earliest but can foresee shortages and constraints for months as demand will be very high.

We are expecting far higher demand than 40 series and maybe as strong as 30 series so I’ll just say this if you see an opportunity to buy and get one just do it no matter where it’s from as long as it’s not double or triple price of course.

Those who are patient just wait a few months and things should improve as NVIDIA release more and more of 50 series stack.

Here comes the chaos I love it!!!!!! Once more unto the breach, my friends.

 

[zacarry]

Gibbo lets say somebody manages to preorder on 30 of January.
What should be the delivery time expectation? normal like couple days or many weeks?