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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - (PRE)ORDER DISCUSSION **NO COMPETITOR HINTING**

Just wondering why everyone is happy in what Nvidia has been doing for the past few years, I think the company is to powerful and as a result they do what they want when they want, controlling the market and having zero competition, it harms the consumer and its the consumer that has zero choice,
their competitors has bowed out waving the white flag, there is no red vs green or vs blue, its only green, its like the competition hasn't got the know how and resources to mount a defence, follow the leader or dont and stay hungry.

Its clear now that from now on this is the new norm and it will take years before choice and competition steps in, imagine if BMW was the only car that provided luxury and performance and was the most desirable, and that on the roads 75% of the cars you see was a BMW with the remaining 25% being slower less desirable cars, this is what it is in the consumer GPU market right now with Nvidia at the top.
 
Dave2150 said:
Oh meant to say, problem with Astral at the other place is that they use the Astral in their pre-builds. They also prioritize pre-builds over pre-orders, as obviously much more margin in it for them selling a whole PC.

I'd either swap to another model there or get you pre-order in elsewhere.
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mcdermotx said:
The buying pre-built notion is undone a little though as a lot of places offering builds make it clear (well those that don't probably should) that you are still in a pre-order system. Now maybe a place will place priority on a build, or may secure OEM parts somehow, but it's not a walk-in/walk-out situation. You could still face a wait.

I've thought of doing the same myself, not necessarily to secure a 5090, just that a 5090 was going to go into a new build anyway. Held off for the time being, and have settled in a pre-order for the GPU for now.

Money fortunately not an issue at the moment, but one thing I won't do is pay over the odds to some scalper.
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Zotac solid pre order was placed on launch day from the other place and expected arrival time was into the second half of the year, due to this it was cancelled.
Cheapest Pre built 5090 system from the other place is scheduled to be built and shipped in 2 weeks, coincidently with the 5090 Zotac Solid.
 
hobib_ali said:
Just wondering why everyone is happy in what Nvidia has been doing for the past few years, I think the company is to powerful and as a result they do what they want when they want, controlling the market and having zero competition, it harms the consumer and its the consumer that has zero choice,
their competitors has bowed out waving the white flag, there is no red vs green or vs blue, its only green, its like the competition hasn't got the know how and resources to mount a defence, follow the leader or dont and stay hungry.

Its clear now that from now on this is the new norm and it will take years before choice and competition steps in, imagine if BMW was the only car that provided luxury and performance and was the most desirable, and that on the roads 75% of the cars you see was a BMW with the remaining 25% being slower less desirable cars, this is what it is in the consumer GPU market right now with Nvidia at the top.
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I dont think anyone is happy with Nvidia having a monoply at the high end but for now at least it is what it is. Intel are certainlylooking to challenge in the lower end which will give consumers choice and AMD hopefully have some good cards up its sleeve for the md range which is where most people seem to shop. FYI i dont think AMD have waived the white flagbased on rumours which is all we have AMD will be back in the high end market either with 10000 or 11000
 
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ewozza said:
My 5080 arrived from Overclockers today and its been great setting it up. Finally setup request of cancellation from other pre-order queue. Wish you all best of luck on getting your cards soon.
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I spent a significant amount of today setting mine up as well.

It was mostly my fault for not measuring my case first, but I managed to move my intake fans around to fit the 5080 in. It is almost double the size of my 3080.

I just played Hogwarts with everything maxed out, and it was glorious compared to my last play through.

Just need to get to grips with frame generation and all the DLSS overides.
 
peahead said:
How come what is happening with retailers ?
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Not sure. If I was scalping a 5080 and resale prices were at or below cost, I'd just return it to the vendor.

Good to see scalpers losing out here. No one wants the 5080, and rightfully so. It's an overpriced junk card, all things considered. When I see 7900XTXs selling for £800, it boggles my mind anyone would consider a £1200 5080.
 
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harmattan said:
Not sure. If I was scalping a 5080 and resale prices were at or below cost, I'd just return it to the vendor.

Good to see scalpers losing out here. No one wants the 5080, and rightfully so. It's an overpriced junk card, all things considered. When I see 7900XTXs selling for £800, it boggles my mind anyone would consider a £1200 5080.
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Some vendors probably charge a restocking fee.

There was only ever going to be a small subset of people willing to pay above MSRP for the 5080, I expect in a few months it will be available for at or below MSRP.
 
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Jay-G25 said:
you would like to think that would give them more buying power with Asus then or at least i hope it would :cry: They do seem to get some sort of priority with Asus as their 50 series launch day event was in collaboration with Asus Rog and they were the only place i was able to get the Asus 480hz oled from so I'm hoping they get sent a decent amount of stock but time will tell....
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If you buy a £4800 prebuild from that competitor, you get the 5090 Astral OC and it's a guaranteed delivery date of between Tuesday 18 Feb and Thursday 20 Feb. They clearly have either a stockpile of Astrals, or guaranteed delivery dates for this.

Far better to get a 9800X3D, ASUS TUF GAMING X870E-PLUS WIFI, 32GB 6000Mhz C30, 2TB SSD, case, cooler etc compared to people paying £5000+ for just the GPU.
 
pgudgeon1 said:
Zotac solid pre order was placed on launch day from the other place and expected arrival time was into the second half of the year, due to this it was cancelled.
Cheapest Pre built 5090 system from the other place is scheduled to be built and shipped in 2 weeks, coincidently with the 5090 Zotac Solid.
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Not saying that certain builders wouldn't prio selling a full build as opposed to some regular joe just looking for the GPU. It's happened in the past with the 3000s even though it shouldn't - but I wouldn't put any stock in dates you see promised.

One company I contacted who had a 'week to 10 days' long turn around time directly told me that a 5-6K build would be held up pending stock for an undetermined time. Now maybe that'd change if the order went through, but it'll cost 6K to find out. Better access to suppliers etc may help, but I would put as much faith in an expected delivery time as those 4-25 week guesstimates.
 
Comparisons between the 7900 xtx and 5080 very often omit to consider anything outside of the 5080 being better at raster. What about:
  • CUDA, productivity, or streaming features
  • Path tracing or Lumen (software RT) becoming mandatory in recent games. Yes Radeon can do good enough on basic Lumen but nowhere near.
  • DLSS 4 new model obliterating FSR, not even close. FSR 4 will not be at this level, it's playing catch up. (If it even comes to the 7900XTX)
  • Software features like RTX HDR which works incredibly well.
  • Nvidia market share means some AAA titles will have better optimisation/exclusive graphic features
More can be listed. Sure, the 7900 XTX can be a better value buy for some but everything considered it's naive to make any argument against the value of nvidia cards. Just depends on what you're upgrading from and what you consider value.
 
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marios50 said:
Comparisons between the 7900 xtx and 5080 very often omit to consider anything outside of the 5080 being better at raster. What about:
  • CUDA, productivity, or streaming features
  • Path tracing or Lumen (software RT) becoming mandatory in recent games. Yes Radeon can do good enough on basic Lumen but nowhere near.
  • DLSS 4 new model obliterating FSR, not even close. FSR 4 will not be at this level, it's playing catch up.
  • Software features like RTX HDR which works incredibly well.
  • Nvidia market share means some AAA titles will have better optimisation/exclusive graphic features
More can be listed. Sure, the 7900 XTX can be a better value buy for some but everything considered it's naive to make any argument against the value of nvidia cards. Just depends on what you're upgrading from and what you consider value.
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£300 price difference between them
 
hornetstinger said:
£300 price difference between them
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Doesn't mean that there isn't £300 in value to what I listed. I'm not saying you can't be happy with an 7900XTX it's just dumb to see people making statements like "7900 xtx is the obvious better buy". It's not that simple, there's significant value to most people in the added feature set.
 
marios50 said:
Doesn't mean that there isn't £300 in value to what I listed. I'm not saying you can't be happy with an 7900XTX it's just dumb to see people making statements like "7900 xtx is the obvious better buy". It's not that simple, there's significant value to most people in the added feature set.
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Those are reasonable points, but for gaming, there is no good argument to say spending £300-400/25-30% more for very close to the same level, actual as God intended raster performance in 90% of games (now or over the next 3-4 years) makes sense.

Admittedly, I'm salty we're here discussing the near-parity in performance between a 2 year-old+ card with a new-gen one, but here we are.
 
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