RIPA Request to Apple by UK

the ones they arent asking probably already do it for tax incentives.

maybe its the reason none of these massive companies seem to pay any tax in the uk
 
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NickK said:
It’s funny - people should also look at swiss cloud providers. I know of at least one that provides cloud space to very lofty Saudi and Middle Eastern individuals, accessed via vpn so that their data isn’t available to local law.. that same pattern exists globally.

If Apple wants to maintain it’s premium brand it will continue to prevent governmental eyes.

Behind this, I suspect is the US using it’s ties through the five eyes. It would mean US access via UK law into US organisations.
I wonder how much will end up in DOGE AI..
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Accessing your data via a VPN doesn’t mean the authorities can’t also access it, that’s not what a VPN does. They would need a warrant anyway, this isn’t mass data surveillance.

All a VPN does is mask who is accessing it, not what they are accessing.
 
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Most EU countries including the U.K. have signed up to the OECD Pilar 2 rules.

If you don’t know what that is, it’s worth a google.

Talking about global tax issues is also well off topic so let’s get back to the government wanting access to the encrypted data of people under investigation of ‘serious’ crimes…
 
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Guess its time to stop using my iphone. Not really wedded to apple as it happens, the real concern though is if Apple have bowed to pressure, who's next to do so?

Start of a very slippery slope in which UK users are going to be increasingly vulnerable to bad actors online.
 
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platypus said:
the real concern though is if Apple have bowed to pressure, who's next to do so?
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I think they did the only sensible thing they could. They couldn’t create a global backdoor and wreck the legitimacy of their encryption just because of one market.

The UK government are fools for thinking they could force a huge US company in to doing so.
 
Pez said:
Questions:

  1. Can Apple say no?
  2. If no to the above, which cloud service can I put my data in where the government can't get at it? Or is this the time to self-host?
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Finished deploying and transfering my data to a Synology NAS since I posted this at the start of the thread, just in time it seems.

The UK is turning into a binfire.

 
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platypus said:
Guess its time to stop using my iphone. Not really wedded to apple as it happens, the real concern though is if Apple have bowed to pressure, who's next to do so?

Start of a very slippery slope in which UK users are going to be increasingly vulnerable to bad actors online.
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Truth be told; we've only really aware of this as Apple has had to publicise aspects of the removal to its userbase. Who knows how or whether other platforms have complied / responded. Localised encryption is the only way to be sure which somewhat nullifies the benefits of cloud services.
 
rare said:
I think they did the only sensible thing they could. They couldn’t create a global backdoor and wreck the legitimacy of their encryption just because of one market.

The UK government are fools for thinking they could force a huge US company in to doing so.
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Oh I agree entirely - I don't blame Apple at all for their actions.

The UK Government (of any colour) seems determined to turn us into an international pariah, and has done for years.
 
The fact it wasnt enabled by default, most people were not aware of its existence and only affects icloud storage I think Apple played it perfectly.

Gives an insight into what would usually be happening behind closed doors :)
 
platypus said:
Guess its time to stop using my iphone. Not really wedded to apple as it happens, the real concern though is if Apple have bowed to pressure, who's next to do so?

Start of a very slippery slope in which UK users are going to be increasingly vulnerable to bad actors online.
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But the data is still secured in the cloud by Apple right?
It’s just that Apple would now be able to view the data as well as security services if they needed to.
 
We’re only hearing one side of the story here. Devils advocate, what if these changes meant it was easier to prosecute pedos and terrorists?

By all means, hide your nudes under the floor boards.
 
platypus said:
Guess its time to stop using my iphone. Not really wedded to apple as it happens, the real concern though is if Apple have bowed to pressure, who's next to do so?

Start of a very slippery slope in which UK users are going to be increasingly vulnerable to bad actors online.
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Android isn't much better. At least Apple are transparent about it.

Google just stealth install an app to your phone.

 
shifty_uk said:
We’re only hearing one side of the story here. Devils advocate, what if these changes meant it was easier to prosecute pedos and terrorists?

By all means, hide your nudes under the floor boards.
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I guarantee most of the people up in arms about this didn’t even have this security feature enabled.
 
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