Yeah but the amount of stuff he gets wrong..
Tbf I have not watched any of his content in years and years.
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Yeah but the amount of stuff he gets wrong..
Tbf I have not watched any of his content in years and years.
the problem is supply.
I have zero confidence in this market to be able to deliver cards regardless of vendor.
If it was a normal market then waiting 3 months would be sensible.
The 9070 XT's performance looks great, but without the full breakdown of 30 games tested it's difficult to work out how much of the overall uplift is down to RT.
It's AMD's in-house testing and much of the raw data is being hidden, so don't get too excited.
The possible explanation for the improved RT performance can be found in the PS5 Pro technical presentation.
That's as far into the video as I got. But it seems like 17 minutes of waffle TBH.
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Thanks, this is why i can't watch him anymore, he has no respect for the viewers time, he is absolutely all over the places umming and erring, correcting himself constantly when its not necessary, over explaining everything, rambling on about crap no one gives a **** about........
The problem with people like this is what they have to say should take no more than 2 minutes, but if the video isn't at least 15 minutes long there aren't as many adverts in it so it doesn't earn them as much money, so they stretch it out.
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Typing the figures from Videocardz into excel, for the 9070 XT compared to the 7900 GRE at 4K, gives slightly different figures:
Non-RT average: +37.4%
RT average: +53%
Going by the most recent TPU review figures (for the 5070Ti), that puts the non-RT performance 4.1% slower than the 5070Ti, 3.8% slower than the 7900XTX, 3.1% slower than the 4080, 12.6% faster than the 4070Ti Super.
For RT performance: 22% slower than the 5070Ti, 22.7% slower than the 4080, 10.3% slower than the 4070Ti Super, 11.5% faster than the 7900XTX. The 9070 XT is 16.5% faster than the 4070Ti at 4K RT, but this mostly VRAM related (i.e. valid, but not the point of these comparisons).
I'm not really interested in the GPU Wars, I'd have bought a 9070 XT if it was available, just to try it out while I wait for the 5090. However, I think people are getting a little too carried away with the performance of the 9070XT and setting themselves up for disappointment.
To put my two pence in, I think the 9070 XT should be £600 maximum, £550 to be a good deal. That's based on the above numbers, the current NVIDIA situation and my personal use case (4K, 144hz) and preferences. It's a 7900 XTX with mildly better RT, lower power draw and improved upscaling.
At £650+, I'm 100% spending the extra to get the respective NVIDIA card. It's easy to handwave away the DLSS/RT gap, but it's significant and growing. It's easy to call 90% of the market idiots, bending over for Jensen, etc. but insults don't change the situation. Only competitive hardware and software will change the status quo, imo.
Non-RT average: +37.4%
RT average: +53%
Going by the most recent TPU review figures (for the 5070Ti), that puts the non-RT performance 4.1% slower than the 5070Ti, 3.8% slower than the 7900XTX, 3.1% slower than the 4080, 12.6% faster than the 4070Ti Super.
For RT performance: 22% slower than the 5070Ti, 22.7% slower than the 4080, 10.3% slower than the 4070Ti Super, 11.5% faster than the 7900XTX. The 9070 XT is 16.5% faster than the 4070Ti at 4K RT, but this mostly VRAM related (i.e. valid, but not the point of these comparisons).
I'm not really interested in the GPU Wars, I'd have bought a 9070 XT if it was available, just to try it out while I wait for the 5090. However, I think people are getting a little too carried away with the performance of the 9070XT and setting themselves up for disappointment.
To put my two pence in, I think the 9070 XT should be £600 maximum, £550 to be a good deal. That's based on the above numbers, the current NVIDIA situation and my personal use case (4K, 144hz) and preferences. It's a 7900 XTX with mildly better RT, lower power draw and improved upscaling.
At £650+, I'm 100% spending the extra to get the respective NVIDIA card. It's easy to handwave away the DLSS/RT gap, but it's significant and growing. It's easy to call 90% of the market idiots, bending over for Jensen, etc. but insults don't change the situation. Only competitive hardware and software will change the status quo, imo.
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I thought AMD had already started shipping back around January.
Sorry, simple question
AMD has had these GPUs ready for a while now right - all boxed, ready and are simply delaying the launch date. Why ?!
Any business knows that being 1st to market is imperative so why the wait ?
Could it be that they have a poor product and need to price it close to competitor, so lets see what competitor prices/performance is like before releasing ours
Surely AMD don't want to be undercutting themselves
AMD haven't given a reason and probably never will. There are a few possible explanations I can think of.
i) AMD have an arrangement with nvidia for AMD to remain a trivial player in the consumer graphics card market, remaining in it only to shield nvidia from the potential problems of being an obvious monopoly.
ii) AMD discovered a serious problem with the Radeon 9000 series at the last minute and is trying to resolve the problem while covering it up.
iii) AMD have absolutely no idea how to be a consumer GPU company so all they can do is be a bad mimic of nvidia, just waiting for nvidia to act and then doing the same but nowhere near as well.
iv) AMD had only made a small number of GPUs for the Radeon 9000 series, realised at the last minute that they were heading for a paper launch and made a last minute decision to abort the launch rather than make a paper launch.
I think it's (i). I genuinely think AMD has made a backroom deal with nvidia to cede the consumer graphics card market to nvidia and serve only as a trivial player, just enough to shield nvidia from being a completely obvious monopoly in the market. AMD openly agreed to cede the high end of the market to nvidia. After nvidia made such a complete mess of the 5000 series and took the **** out of customers a bit too much, a bit too obviously, the only way AMD could avoid competing with nvidia was to hastily run away from the market at the last minute and give nvidia time to clean up a little bit of the 5000 series mess.
Nvidia has been trying that with 5000 series and it only took until the 3rd release for some reviewers to wake up and face facts.
But yeah, generally it works especially if releasing everything at once in one go. Nvidia might have had more positive reviews on cheaper cards had they released at once and not allow reviewers to catch wind of fake pricing. Not that the MSRP prices are much better for the 5000 series.
Just going over the leaks that compare to 7900GRE, basically everything we all discussed here on the forum a few pages back, making the same points here and there.
Nothing new added really.
I agree with the price suggestion, but keep in mind these are supposed 'leaks' or 'official leaks' from AMD. I'd only trust independent reviewers for a true performance indication.
It's still slightly worse than a 7900XTX though, due to have 66% of the VRAM.
Still, what's better a 9070XT a bit below a 5070ti at £550-600 or a 5070ti, with risk of missing ROPs and 20% performance at £750, or more likely £900+?
I know which one I'd rather go for.
But you can't say you want to improve market share and then just come a little under ludicrously priced cards.
As you said, people seem to be happy paying these silly prices to nvidia. Would a small discount from AMD make a difference?
If they want some positive press which they badly need, they need to come in at as low as their profit margins can handle.
Even if nvidia drop their prices, doubt they would be much if any at all they would still have all that buzz and positivity online.
It is simple really. Short term profit or long term. If they go for the former, expect silly pricing and reviews to match it.
I think that's a pretty level take on the situation. AMD might not like that they're the "budget brand", but for GPUs they still are. They cater for the people who want a cheaper, but broadly equivalent, experience to what what Nvidia offers.
I'm on board for a 9070, but only at the right price. If it's too much, I'll wait and see what the 5070, 5060 Ti, 9060 XT bring. Or I'll buy an older card.
Who knows. We don’t even know what’s coming in a week never mind Q4
Yeah they have. Another form of opportunity for AMD, they have had time to build up stock and ship more units in time for release.
But have they actually done such a smart move and if it's even enough is anyone's guess at this point.
AMD has even less excuse for stock issues than Nvidia does.
Now admittedly they had stock issues with the 9800X3D CPUs, but that is due in part to the way those chips are manufactured with their 3D V-cache, it takes even longer to manufacture than the non-X3D chips. No excuses here for the 9070 series ...unless AMD will turn around add 3D V-cache to their GPUs? (I don't think it's as important on GPUs).
Indeed. As stated in the post you quoted It looks like it is going to be a 16gb 7900xtx with better power efficiency and slightly better RT. Anything over £600 will be a disappointment really. Over £700 will be a **** take.
I think starting at £550 would be golden and would hopefully start to eat into 5070ti sales. Id certainly consider one over a 5070ti at that price.
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The interesting thing though it has the same number of shaders as an RX7800XT and not much more bandwidth. It really is an RX7800XT replacement.Even the total die size is similar to the RX6700XT and RX7800XT cards.
The performance jump per CU is huge if the leaked performance figures are true,as is the bandwidth efficiency - a higher end card based on the same design might have performed very well. It does make me wonder whether the performance of the PS5 PRO over time will look better.
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Planning a new build for this year, will pass my 5900X / 6800XT to my 13yr old.
I’m in a position where I kind of have to wait anyhow as I want a back connection motherboard and I believe a few vendors will be doing AM5 Atx versions this year in black (want to avoid white tax)
If the 9080/9090 rumors are also true, depending on when the back connection motherboards arrive I may end up going for one of those if they ever materialise!
To be honest though I’d take a 9070XT as a stopgap GPU as I can imagine it’s probably around 60% quicker than a 6800XT?
I’m in a position where I kind of have to wait anyhow as I want a back connection motherboard and I believe a few vendors will be doing AM5 Atx versions this year in black (want to avoid white tax)
If the 9080/9090 rumors are also true, depending on when the back connection motherboards arrive I may end up going for one of those if they ever materialise!
To be honest though I’d take a 9070XT as a stopgap GPU as I can imagine it’s probably around 60% quicker than a 6800XT?
And what are you willing to pay for the 5070ti ? £800+ ?