*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

We don't know the price yet.

But then why are they comparing it to the RTX5070TI at $750 and saying the RX9070XT has to be $500? Do I want it to be $500,OFC! But why is everyone just ignoring the RTX5070?

That would be cheaper than a £540 RTX5070/RTX4070 Super. If the figures hold up in reviews,even in Cyberpunk 2077 RT ,the RX9070XT will be faster than the RTX5070.

Overall it would demolish it and if any games are optimised for RDNA4 RT(think PS5 PRO games),then it would look even worse.

We are entering the land of magical Apple thinking here! The iPhone 16SE must be a bargain right?

 

[TNA]

I do care about RT and upscaling, but at 1440p I have headroom I don't need really high FPS when RT games tend to be single player and with the help of FSR4 it will be playable most importantly if it's £600 and below

My post was obviously tongue in cheek making fun of bizarre comments made in this thread the past 24 hours.

RT and upscaling matter a lot, at least to us with decenteye sight. If AMD can at least catch up with DLSS 3 with FSR 4 they will be in a good position imo.

 

[Subliminal Aura]

Sorry, simple question

AMD has had these GPUs ready for a while now right - all boxed, ready and are simply delaying the launch date. Why ?!

Any business knows that being 1st to market is imperative so why the wait ?

Could it be that they have a poor product and need to price it close to competitor, so lets see what competitor prices/performance is like before releasing ours
Surely AMD don't want to be undercutting themselves

 

[TNA]

But then why are they comparing it to the RTX5070TI at $750 and saying the RX9070XT has to be $500? Do I want it to be $500,OFC! But why is everyone just ignoring the RTX5070?

That would be cheaper than a £540 RTX5070/RTX4070 Super. If the figures hold up in reviews,even in Cyberpunk 2077 RT ,the RX9070XT will be faster than the RTX5070.

Overall it would demolish it and if any games are optimised for RDNA4 RT(think PS5 PRO games),then it would look even worse.

We are entering the land of magical Apple thinking here! The iPhone 16SE must be a bargain right?

Bias, bias everywhere...

 

[Sargatanas2511]

But then why are they comparing it to the RTX5070TI at $750 and saying the RX9070XT has to be $500? Do I want it to be $500,OFC! But why is everyone just ignoring the RTX5070?

That would be cheaper than a £540 RTX5070/RTX4070 Super. If the figures hold up in reviews,even in Cyberpunk 2077 RT ,the RX9070XT will be faster than the RTX5070.

Overall it would demolish it and if any games are optimised for RDNA4 RT(think PS5 PRO games),then it would look even worse.

We are entering the land of magical Apple thinking here! The iPhone 16SE must be a bargain right?

Agreed. I get AMD need to make a statement and need to try and improve mindshare but I think people ask for way too much. If the RRP is $629 or even $649 and performance is actually what has been shown, then I don't think it's a terrible deal even against an RRP 5070Ti with full ROPs and no driver issues.

Like you say cheaper is better but people act like AMD should just bend over.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

In a normal market I'd agree with you, but the reason AMD need to bend over as you put it is the mindshare and market share is so bad now (10%), that they NEED to do something drastic to stop themselves becoming irrelevant.

Pricing relatively low (like they did with the 4870) would be a really good way to get a shot in the arm, and get the sales, and with sales comes mindshare and marketshare. Ideally this is the gen to do it, with the completely new architecture and return to the high end next generation - get the mindshare up now so they can monopolise on it then.

There's also the fact that rising prices are pushing people out of the gaming market, and a pricing reset would hurt no one.

Agreed. I get AMD need to make a statement and need to try and improve mindshare but I think people ask for way too much. If the RRP is $629 or even $649 and performance is actually what has been shown, then I don't think it's a terrible deal even against an RRP 5070Ti with full ROPs and no driver issues.

Like you say cheaper is better but people act like AMD should just bend over.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Bias, bias everywhere...

You know me - the cheaper the better!

The figures indicate it's as strong as an RTX4070TI/RTX4070TI Super in Cyberpunk and I am looking on purpose at the worst game. The other games would be better for AMD,so I am trying to put the Nvidia cards in the best light here.

Now the figures could be fibs for all we know,so we are trusting them. OFC,the analysis will change when we get reviewers figures and realworld pricing.

First problem with the statement:
1.)The RTX5070TI is an OK buy at $750
2.)The RTX5070 at $549 is an OK buy
3.)An RX9070XT is worth less than an RTX5070

Assuming the AMD figures in Cyberpunk 2077 are not fibs:
1.)The RT performance of an RX9070 non-XT is around an RTX4070
2.)The RT performance of an RX9070XT is around RTX4070TI/RTX4070TI Super

The RTX5070 is probably around RTX4070 Super level in that game.

So the RX9070 non-XT is just below(say 10% or a bit more) than an RTX5070,and the RX9070XT around 10% faster in one of the worst performing AMD RT games. Even DF says its massively optimised for Nvidia! Just like so many COD games have worked better on AMD.

Now,look at the other games where the performance difference is much closer,is the RTX5070 going to look even worse?

The issue it's using a very small die this time. The RTX5070 should have been a cut-down GB203 and not a GB205.

 

[kute]

People only want a good AMD card so the Nvidia card they actually want maybe goes down in price.

I disagree - DLSS > FSR, yea, so if AMD wants to inhabit the same value proposition, you'd be a fool to not go nvidia.

But I'm more than willing to buy an AMD card. They didn't even try this time though. I don't understand it. Nvidia phoned it in, and AMD didn't even show up. I don't know which is worse

 

[Sargatanas2511]

In a normal market I'd agree with you, but the reason AMD need to bend over as you put it is the mindshare and market share is so bad now (10%), that they NEED to do something drastic to stop themselves becoming irrelevant.

Pricing relatively low (like they did with the 4870) would be a really good way to get a shot in the arm, and get the sales, and with sales comes mindshare and marketshare. Ideally this is the gen to do it, with the completely new architecture and return to the high end next generation - get the mindshare up now so they can monopolise on it then.

There's also the fact that rising prices are pushing people out of the gaming market, and a pricing reset would hurt no one.

I agree with the mindshare bit, but if they price it above the "mindshare price" it doesn't make it a bad card or bad value.

$500 would be great, but even at $600 *IF* the leaks are true it's a great card.

 

[SkeeterUK]

Shame they couldnt slap on a ssd onto the card to boost performance like some tech site said gpus with ssds would be a thing in the future. That coulda been a nice edge amd to have maybe?

 

[Sargatanas2511]

I disagree - DLSS > FSR, yea, so if AMD wants to inhabit the same value proposition, you'd be a fool to not go nvidia.

But I'm more than willing to buy an AMD card. They didn't even try this time though. I don't understand it. Nvidia phoned it in, and AMD didn't even show up. I don't know which is worse

Didn't show up how? How did they not try? The cards aren't out yet, so I have no idea what you're basing this on.

 

[gpuerrilla]

There's also the fact that rising prices are pushing people out of the gaming market, and a pricing reset would hurt no one.

I think this is the reason for their change in tactic. Alright we will be the judge of this in a few weeks but the bulk of consumers are below the £500 segment for sure. If the performance we have been trickled is accurate then AMD could compete in the higher segment for sure. There is a reason they didn't commit to high end this gen and hopefully we will find out some day.

The chief issue here is unless some of the 80% actually purchase the AMD cards then you cannot expect them to spend R&D and whatever else is needed to stay in the fight. They have to aim to dominate the entry segment which is making the 60 and 70 class look poor value. Maybe the 9060 and 9070 cards can disrupt the mindshare a little, otherwise the status quo will continue.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Agreed. I get AMD need to make a statement and need to try and improve mindshare but I think people ask for way too much. If the RRP is $629 or even $649 and performance is actually what has been shown, then I don't think it's a terrible deal even against an RRP 5070Ti with full ROPs and no driver issues.

Like you say cheaper is better but people act like AMD should just bend over.

I think AMD should totally try under $600 or even $550 for base cards. But I am perplexed at how everyone has forgotten about the RTX5070 and just goes on about the RTX5070TI.

People need to ask why the RTX5070 looks so mediocre.

Instead it seems people are making massive excuses,why an AMD card shouldn't be bought and why a crap Nvidia card like the RTX5070 deserves to be priced more?

Shame they couldnt slap on a ssd onto the card to boost performance like some tech site said gpus with ssds would be a thing in the future. That coulda been a nice edge amd to have maybe?

AMD did in the past:

 

[Grim5]

I doubt if it is faster than the XTX consistently. Also the RT performance will most likely be around 4070Ti Super level.

AMD's benchmark contained lots of RT titles run at max settings, it's quite different from TPUs chart and Humbug knows this

 

[SkeeterUK]

Ah so they have, didnt know that, i thought it was more of a recent thing like a year or so back asus i think was gona put a ssd on a gpu for *reasons. Cheers for link.

Edit - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/p...m2-port-also-allows-using-rtx-4090-as-an-egpu think is what i read awhile back which is what i think i remember about this.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

You can't always compare next gen prices to end of life sale prices, if they actually did that new GPU's would end up at 0$ at some point, £1000 GPU EOL discount to £700, new GPU £700 and EOL discount to £400, new GPU £400 EOL discount £300, i mean come on...

People doing that, including tech jurnoes is why Nvidia stopped discounting EOL GPU's, and i don't blame them ffs.... people need to think a bit more.



You're probably right, i think it will actually end up just below the 7900 XTX in raster alone.

Yeah, this would be lovely for us but is an unrealistic expectation.

That said I do think there's a grey area where it's not a bad price and is both competitive and tempting but is not overly exciting based on what we have already seen (last gen).

We already know the performance isn't going to be breaking any new ground. The features don't seem to be offering anything new either. We're not getting any amazing power efficiency gains. We're not getting exciting new levels of VRAM. It's just about the price we can get these things for. If this is indeed the 7900 GRE "replacement", then is $600 much to get excited about when the 7900 GRE was $550? I'm not saying it's an awful or unreasonable increase.

 

[Ross Thomson]

table based on TPU 5070Ti review
Found it in comments on videocardz while losing some brain cells

Credits where it's due at least it looks like they showing native/ RT performance none of this frame gen/ upscaling misleading bs

not enough of an upgrade for my GRE but would be a nice increase for my kids 6600XT.

 

[uscool]

Yeah, this would be lovely for us but is an unrealistic expectation.

That said I do think there's a grey area where it's not a bad price and is both competitive and tempting but is not overly exciting based on what we have already seen (last gen).

We already know the performance isn't going to be breaking any new ground. The features don't seem to be offering anything new either. We're not getting any amazing power efficiency gains. We're not getting exciting new levels of VRAM. It's just about the price we can get these things for. If this is indeed the 7900 GRE "replacement", then is $600 much to get excited about when the 7900 GRE was $550? I'm not saying it's an awful or unreasonable increase.

I'm pretty hyped myself if it's priced similarly to that with that uplift in raster and RT , and better upscaling

The past few generations have been really poor seems like we at least be heading in the right direction

 

[Besty]

Sorry, simple question

AMD has had these GPUs ready for a while now right - all boxed, ready and are simply delaying the launch date. Why ?!

Any business knows that being 1st to market is imperative so why the wait ?

Could it be that they have a poor product and need to price it close to competitor, so lets see what competitor prices/performance is like before releasing ours
Surely AMD don't want to be undercutting themselves

The games weren't ready.

The driver for those games weren't ready.

The AMD cpu launch wasn't ready.

The stock levels weren't ready.

Self immolation by Nvidia trying to be 'first' really back fired badly this time. everyone seems to hate them, even those that bought a card.

 

[RavenXXX2]