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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

sx_turbo said:
Regarding the sapphire card with 16 pin connector,

Toms hardware has an interesting article on it, seems sapphire have installed some safe guards to stop the power cable and card from melting and ruining the card.

No doubt to get repaired it will have to be RMA'd but at least it won't be a fire hazard

www.tomshardware.com

Sapphire does the unthinkable and puts 16-pin power connector on an RX 9070 XT

It took an AMD AIB partner to make one of the most aesthetically pleasing implementations of the 16-pin connector.
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com
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Safety solutions regardless, the horizontally bent connector design seems pretty ridiculous considering how much was learnt from the previous melting fiascos..

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So originally I'd planned to get a 5090, back before we knew the pricing. But given their availability and the pricing of all AIB cards not to mention the power issues, I decided I probably wouldn't go that route.
So then I was considering the 5080. I was a little disappointed in the 16GB VRAM, was hoping it might get 24GB, but 16GB seems to be the way of it this generation. At least the 5080 probably avoids the power issues of the 5090, but the availability and pricing still put me off. If I could get a 5080 at close to MSRP I would be very tempted to do that. 5070Ti is in a similar situation to the 5080 to me, stock and price are disappointing. MSRP isn't awful (given what we've become accustomed to) but I'm not sure when we'll see a decent number of cards hitting that.

So that leads me to the 9070XT. I might just have to risk trying AMD again. Stock levels look like they should be better, pricing is unknown but should be lower than the 5070Ti. The downsides are that FSR4 could well be supported by less games than DLSS and while I'd prefer to use neither, that doesn't seem to be the way we're heading. RT I'm not overly bothered about, but probably still going to be trailing Nvidia if only because of optimisations. Then there's also, from what I understand, not quite as much support for AMD with productivity stuff. It also means I have to go with the AMD driver software again and while I know a lot of people like it, I'm not a fan. Still at least the cards should be cheaper and more importantly, available. The downside of course is that it's AMD so I'm nervous to buy too soon as there's usually price drops just after I buy them.

So I'm not really sure what to do, the clever option would probably be to wait 6 months, see if AMD drop prices and see what Nvidia stock levels are like and if that has any impact on the silly prices we're seeing. But I'm not sure I have the patience to wait that long.
And if I do buy an AMD card there's the question then of which model. I'm not a fan of the power connector placement on the Nitro+, I've bought Pulse's before so would prefer to not buy one of them. I think Pure's are white Pulses. So that seems like Sapphire ruled out. Don't fancy XFX, so that leaves Powercolor or ASRock? In the past it's seemed like any of the companies that make Nvidia and AMD cards don't put too much effort into the AMD ones. But then which model to get, is it really worth paying for the more expensive models?
 
I tend to agree

I think I'm going to stick with my overpriced 5070ti and will take a dip in team reds pool next gen when they've matured their software

BUT AiDiva may rectify their mistakes of not placing more emphasis on the gaming market which quite frankly is the reason why the gap has narrowed

The uplift from Nvidia next gen could be huge
 
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TNA said:
@CAT-THE-FIFTH @MyBrainz did they do enough to get your money lads? That there is a big test on how well they did imo. If they can get both your money they will have actually done quite well :D
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Like @CAT-THE-FIFTH said, will wait on reviews.

If the non XT reviews well enough I'll go with that if it drops to my £500 limit, Im still at 1080p and Im not replacing all 4 displays anytime soon :D
 
Tinek said:
So, based even on your own words, they don't drop prices - they release new models with different pricing (and usually a year later). That people in the know (me and you and other on forums like this) see it as price change doesn't mean average person does - all they see is new model with different pricing replacing old model. So, again, Nvidia doesn't drop prices. Just to add to the above, their own CEO openly stated they limit supply instead, when they had 3k series to sell still and held back 4k series supply exactly to avoid dropping prices. And they still do such things. That they didn't in some distant past is irrelevant to the current reality.
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You have deliberately cut context and large parts of my post where I outlined how they do indeed adjust and even cut prices. Yet you take one sentence to strawman to death and think you’ve won.

My apologies if that seems confrontational but Nvidia releasing a 4080s at $200 less than a 4080 is a price drop. The 4080 12GB being renamed a 4070Ti and getting a $100 lower MSRP is a price drop.

I can easily link to articles showing official Nvidia price drops in countries like China for example.

So yes, Nvidia are not immune to having to adjust prices due to market demands.

Ultimately I think Nvidia will keep stock limited to keep their prices high. So I agree with your underlying premise and would also caveat Nvidia are that arrogant to believe AMD is not a threat to their dominance. I also think the AMD RDNA4 prices will stay a lot closer to MSRP than Nvidia’s and that is what will make AMD mindshare this year. Though as it becomes obvious Nvidia are not going to increase supply, we will see RDNA4 prices climb at retail.
 
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arc@css said:
The power consumption of the 9070 looks to be good (about the same as my 3070FE),
though how much difference this makes over the long term when compared to the 9070XT and other ~300w GPUs, I don't know.

I was hoping for an even better price than this, but it's a start.
IIRC, the PSU requirement is no more than a 750w, which is what I have, so at least I don't have to pick up a new one of those.
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I have a 650W EVGA Gold standard PSU running a 7900 XT at stock 320w, with a 7800 X3D at stock, 32GB DDR5 and 2x NVMEs. It has never missed a beat even if I push the 7900 XT to 360W for overlock tests.

If your 750W is a decent model with at least silver rating, it will take a 9070XT without any problems.
 
Shogun_Krayt said:
Safety solutions regardless, the horizontally bent connector design seems pretty ridiculous considering how much was learnt from the previous melting fiascos..

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That is more down to the guidelines for GPUs that are clearly not built with safety features in mind. The sapphire in question has 2x fuses that will blow to protect the GPU and the cable. They are most likely self resetting as well. Also looking at the sapphire GPU it has ample room to allow for a safe amount of flex on the cable. Well over the 30mm that your own images recommends.
 
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ICDP said:
That is more down to the guidelines for GPUs that are clearly not built with safety features in mind. The sapphire in question has 2x fuses that will blow to protect the GPU and the cable. They are most likely self resetting as well. Also looking at the sapphire GPU it has ample room to allow for a safe amount of flex on the cable. Well over the 30mm that your own images recommends.
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I agree. Looks like the nitro+ has room to allow for a gentle bend of the cable well away from the connector.
 
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Well sounds like selling my 6950XT was a poor idea :P. Now I'm gonna do what is apparently normal these days and blame someone else for the poor choice I made so THANKS NVIDIA for your horrible launch, if it weren't for your incompetence I would most likely have been able to get the unreleased AMD GPU at MSRP - 50, but now all the crazed nvidia fans are gonna eat that stock up. Cheers Jensen :S. May your kitchen burn the cookies your maid makes!

Serious note for a second though.. anyone on a 6800/7800 or RTX 3080 might want to hold on to their GPUs until the new on is in hand and I can see the 2nd hand market getting horrible yet again.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
So I'm not really sure what to do
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GoogalyMoogaly said:
So originally I'd planned to get a 5090
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If you originally planed to get a 5090 there's not really much you can do, unless you were expecting the 5090 to somehow cost significantly less than the $1,600 of the ninety model card from the previous generation.

You're not going to get $1,600 levels of performance from something like a 9070 XT costing a little more than a third of that price.
 
Looks like there is a new RIS 2 for the 9070 using AI, and AFMF 2.1 coming with reduced ghosting and better temporal tracking, not just for this latest series.
 
Yeah, just watched that MLID video and to be fair he has been mostly accurate on his Blackwell and RDNA4 leaks so far.

He is basically now saying RDNA4 is ample stock initially but as it becomes clear the 5070 has poor stock (like the rest of the lineup), people will be buying up RDNA4 as the only viable option. This will in turn cause shortages and prices increases.

At close to MSRP a punt on a 9070XT and hold on to the son’s 7900 XT until used prices go up, might be how I man maths a 9070 XT to play with :D

I had hoped a 5080 would be right around 4090 for $1000, and could have convinced myself it was worth upgrading from my 4080. But well done NGreedia.
 
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Phixsator said:
Serious note for a second though.. anyone on a 6800/7800 or RTX 3080 might want to hold on to their GPUs until the new on is in hand and I can see the 2nd hand market getting horrible yet again.
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I've been having a look locally at used prices which was surprising.
I'm in no rush for purchasing so may hold until after car, beer & BBQ season is coming to an end.
 
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