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Intel is definitely the way to go in this scenario imo especially with quicksync and may be even able to drop the GPU, but not sure the op is listening.
Picking out parts for PC for parents in NZ
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im sure even a 14100 would be faster than the ryzen 5000 for this type of application
If I were buying for myself building, I'd absolutely get a quality cooler. A large part of it is that I just don't trust my stepdad *that* much with the one tricky part of building a PC the first time - getting the cooler on without leaving air pockets. The stock coolers, like 'em or not, definitely are really well designed for beginner installations. That, and I don't think their usage will justify the need for anything stronger - if they're only using it once a week, would they really need it? Is photo editing really gonna get it that warm? Happy to take advice on this. Keep in mind they somehow managed to keep their old PC going for about five years on a stock cooler, too.
Also, it was mentioned above that the Intel runs hot. Not sure if the AMD does, and if a high end cooler would be needed if it doesn't?
Regarding eBay etc, at that point I could just buy from OcUK and ship to NZ myself in all reality for probably a better price. But I'd prefer that they can have local business support if necessary, and eBay won't give me that sense of reassurance. :/ I'm always a bit weird with used parts, especially for a PC that I want to last a long time (since I won't be local to help them as much).
OP is listening, I wouldn't be replying (or posting a thread at all) if I didn't want to get second opinions all round.
I just prefer to discuss rather than taking whichever internet person pops by first - I'm not as familiar with all of your levels of knowledge as you may be with each other, please bare with me.
Have you looked at NUC / miniPC options? Check out the ETA Prime and ServeTheHome channels on YouTube. Add RAM and NVME drive and install Windows.
in cost how dose the 12600kf match up?
is a second hand CPU out of the question? Ebay is a good option for this.
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Honestly can't say I've heard of them nor know what they're capable of. What's the warranty like? Do they have NZ local service? If yes on the latter, I'll have a look.
The 8500G might be a different story, because I believe it uses RDNA3 which would be competitive in terms of hardware acceleration with the 12th-14th gen Intel IGP. Low power usage on the 8500G too, I like them, but would need a cheap board/DDR5 or would push the cost up a lot, I'd imagine.
I'm really wanting to avoid second hand, because I really really really don't want to have to deal with a failure of any of the parts I'm buying while I'm at the other end of the world. They're taking a costly gamble on me helping them put together a new PC at half the cost of a refurb workstation from local businesses, so I want that to pay off in the long term.
12600KF is $343, 5600G is $269. I can work with an intel CPU but might want some help in finding a CPU cooler for it that an old man doing his first PC build without supervision can install without fluffing it up. I know, I should trust him more, but... heh.
No shot for the 8500G, it doesn't seem to exist in NZ
Can't find any 8000 series in the entire country.the problem with the 5600g is its a cut down 5600 and runs generally much slower. if you set on AM4 and your using a GPU dont get the G chip
Absolutely no idea on either vis-a-vis NZ.
No shot for the 8500G, it doesn't seem to exist in NZ
is New Zealand a black hole?
Right!? My mate there and everyone on reddit says they use partpicker to find parts in NZ. Honestly, it really feels like what you said. I am certainly not being encouraged by this situation to run back to NZ anytime in the near future... although I still want to return someday (it's my home country and it's goddam beautiful and the lifestyle is fantastic). At least in my case, I can import parts myself and trust myself to have enough backups.
The places that DO stock on partpicker are also really small scale. The country is a literal backwater for online stores, the 'major' electronics company online stores in NZ look like they were built in the 1990s and over half the offerings in major stores are refurb. The place is seriously so far behind with utilising the internet for commercial purposes.
The places that DO stock on partpicker are also really small scale. The country is a literal backwater for online stores, the 'major' electronics company online stores in NZ look like they were built in the 1990s and over half the offerings in major stores are refurb. The place is seriously so far behind with utilising the internet for commercial purposes.
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but i bet they still have real shops and stuff, thats not a bad thing.
i would honesty look at the used market if i was in your situation.
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Good.OP is listening, I wouldn't be replying (or posting a thread at all) if I didn't want to get second opinions all round.
That's how it should , clearly the majority of post points to intel just look comments consensous.
You should look into intel quicksync which you briefly dismissed at the start , especially on newer chips it's way better than some cheaper GPUs for this stuff.
I personally want the best pc for your money/needs which is intel in this scenario imo but that doesn't mean an AMD won't do the job , it will but probably slower compared to intel until you chuck in a decent GPU.
Revisiting your original parts list you don't need a 750w PSU a 500w would be more than enough while still allowing to add a better GPU.
Phanteks case is atx while motherboard is matx so you could get a smaller case if you stick with matx motherboard even if you switch to intel.
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Would buying from Australia be an option?
Still high prices i know
But at least in Australia I had no problem
Finding pc stores
Not as ideal as buying in NZ
But if anything fails you're not having to ship it too far
Done an awful lot of telephone pc help
In the past for friends and family
Frustrating as #### at least nowadays you can video call
And presumably they're up to installing TeamViewer
Would definitely suggest once it's done
That you either walk them through or use TeamViewer
To make a baseline image backup
For any future disaster recovery
Probably add a 64gb flash drive to your shopping for that
Still high prices i know
But at least in Australia I had no problem
Finding pc stores
Not as ideal as buying in NZ
But if anything fails you're not having to ship it too far
Done an awful lot of telephone pc help
In the past for friends and family
Frustrating as #### at least nowadays you can video call
And presumably they're up to installing TeamViewer
Would definitely suggest once it's done
That you either walk them through or use TeamViewer
To make a baseline image backup
For any future disaster recovery
Probably add a 64gb flash drive to your shopping for that
Which of the Intel CPUs in the earlier posted image would you suggest going for - 12600KF was touched on, reckon it'd be affordable enough. How does quick sync work on the fact that one doesn't have integrated graphics - would I need a GPU alongside it instead?
Also, any and all advice on a good newbie-friendly (installation-wise) cooler would be much appreciated (I can post a list of what there is in NZ if needed). I use the tall/heavier ones but I don't trust my stepdad to have a careful/balancing touch.
Definitely agree I don't need a 750W PSU, but I wanted a Gold modular with enough connectors for any potential GPU. Somehow the 750W was the cheapest option there, outside of other manufacturers I'd never heard of (I did a bit of research and apparently they were C or below on the PSU ratings, which put me off). Again, seems like just a whole lotta NZ parts struggles. PSU options below (criteria: 2x 8-pin, modular, gold):
Dropping 8-pin just allows for the Silverstone SX500-G and the Fractal Design Ion SFX 500G - the only 500W 80+ Gold PSUs in NZ, it seems.
And yep, case size is honestly my biggest question mark of all. I'm very bad at estimating how much space I need in all directions for that stuff, especially if I do potentially end up needing a GPU down the line. Welcoming even more input there if possible, potential ideas, etc. I've not built a small PC for a long time. Probably best to settle on the parts first, though, I s'pose.
Yeah, the plan is to guide them through it over a video call for some of the PC build, and then once TeamViewer is installed I'll just remote in and do all the software side of things. They have an external drive, I believe, which will help avoid the USB problem - but I'll probably have them use a USB drive at the very least for potential BIOS upgrades that might be required.
Could buy from Aus but again, would prefer buying NZ so Mum can get better local support. The parts don't have to be perfect - they just need to be reliable parts, and they need to do the job.
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I believe it is unavailable on any F/KF CPU.
This can tell you the main feature differences between each gen:
Intel Quick Sync Video - Wikipedia
i5-8600 (Coffee Lake)
i5-11600K (Rocket Lake)
i5-12500 (Alder Lake)
Ultra 5 225 (Arrow Lake)
For me, the price would have to be very good to get an 8th or 11th gen CPU, especially since you might struggle to get motherboards (300 series for 8th, or 500 series for 11th).
12th gen motherboards should be fairly plentiful (H610, B660/B760, Z690/Z790).
Core Ultra motherboards might be rare and expensive (Z890), though in the UK they're getting more reasonable with the release of H810 and B860.
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