that long established retailer is one I try to never ever use they will push up prices to obscene levels and are well known for itYou're being too conservative. The Gigabyte Gaming OC was £569 yesterday. I've seen it as high as £779 today. And that was at a major, long-established PC parts retailer
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Best thing for people to do is not buy them...
Let's hope so. AMD could use the market share.
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The cards are only worth their RRP IMHO,and only really E-PEEN models are worth a bit more. The big problem is this generation Nvidia seems to have stopped caring and I wonder if they are restricting gaming dGPU production too.
For example AMD last quarter seems to have gone up from 10% to 17% sales share:
PC AIB shipments follow seasonality, show nominal increase for Q4’24
Data center GPU boards were up an average of 13.8% from last quarter.
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They need to make enough cards. Just a quick splurge at launch won't work! Lets hope the RX9060 series is plentiful as that is where the real battle is for volume.
It should use a relative small chip and cheap GDDR6 RAM.
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Did you not try other retailers? Ocuk crashed but I managed to add pulse and gaming oc at MSRP into basket at another retailer
No regrets from me , not enough uplift and don't like the look of either, I still feel for some reason I would have bought the MBA reference if it existed
There are enough cards, they're being held back. OCUK said they have sold their allocation of MSRP Pulses and Reapers and they had thousands in stock. No reason why the £629 cards can't be put on the website now.
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Actually, this isn't really true. Both Nvidia and AMD used to sell 2-3x more cards just a few years ago. We only really get half the production of what we used to. And the further back we go in time, the more production there used to be. I think both AMD & Nvidia realise people keep their GPUs for much longer so they are conservative with production.
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Again, wafers are far more expensive, more companies like Apple, Nvidia, AMD, Qualcomm and even Intel are fighting over TSMC advanced node wafers. AMD are pumping out as many as they can but there is always going to be a limit and it isn't really AMD's fault.
Nvidia are probably getting far more than it looks too but they're going to the AI/Professional market and the gamers are getting the dregs.
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Yup, stock up now because we might end up going backward for a few years if Taiwan is compromised.
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I meant over the course of the year. If they can keep cards at "reasonable" pricing and the RX9060 is plentiful hopefully AMD can build it's sales share.
And AMD have said all the msrp cards are just that , msrp. There arnt any £629 cards unless a retailer price gouges.
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I'm not really getting the feeling AMD care much about their gaming customers either though.
Only mid tier cards.
Fake MSRP.
Drip feeding stick to keep demand and prices high.
It might be different at other retailers but getting an item into your basket was still a long way off being able to buy one on OcUK.
Hopefully there will be some resistance to these cards at £630 to send the signal that we're not ok with 10% price hikes after 1 day caused by a"fake" MSRP.
However it's gamers have shown in the past we're not good at voting with our wallets (and I'm as bad as the rest when it comes to this I'll admit).
I mean, it makes sense to scalp at the high end where people have much more disposable income. But for a card which main selling point is price to perf, it makes no sense to scalp, I really don't expect many of these to sell. Proves most scalpers are just smooth brains lol
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Actually, this isn't really true. Both Nvidia and AMD used to sell 2-3x more cards just a few years ago. We only really get half the production of what we used to. And the further back we go in time, the more production there used to be. I think both AMD & Nvidia realise people keep their GPUs for much longer so they are conservative with production.
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People are keeping cards for longer because they have shrinkflated the upgrades under £600. Most cards on Steam are under £600,so mainstream gamers if they end up spending more will just keep their cards longer and longer.
It's the same with smartphones once Apple/Samsung started shrinkflating their smartphones,people kept them longer and longer.
But also its clear they are diverting supply to other markets too IMHO.
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Yeh. Loads were put on ebay at £1000 almost immediately. I was looking out of interest, and now im getting constant emails about them being reduced in price every few hours.
Scalping like that only works if there is literally NO stock of anything in retailers, and GPUS are money printers (like during the mining boom). I still think there is a hangover from that , and people didn’t quite fully understand why GPUs were so sort after at the time.
Right now, i can buy this from OCUK:
Granted, its a terrible deal, but why would i buy the worse card (a base level 9070XT) for the same or more than that from a random person on ebay...?
Smooth brain doesn’t even cover it....
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Yeh. Loads were put on ebay at £1000 almost immediately. I was looking out of interest, and now im getting constant emails about them being reduced in price every few hours.
Scalping like that only works if there is literally NO stock of anything in retailers, and GPUS are money printers (like during the mining boom). I still think there is a hangover from that , and people didn’t quite fully understand why GPUs were so sort after at the time.
Right now, i can buy this from OCUK:
Granted, its a terrible deal, but why would i buy the worse card (a base level 9070XT) for the same or more than that from a random person on ebay...?
Smooth brain doesn’t even cover it....
I guess it's fairly low risk if they nabbed a card (or cards) at MSRP. It'll take time for demand to cool and MSRP pricing to return, so at worst they can sell for ~£600 and cover costs. At best, someone gets caught up in the launch panic and they make £200-£500 profit.
It's the same for the scalping retailers. They may as well try their luck selling a Gigabyte 9070 XT Gaming OC for £779. If that doesn't work, they can slowly lower the price over the next week or two until they do sell. At worst, they wind up pricing the card at the standard retail price for that model.
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Maybe. But that's a lot of hassle.
There are loads of Pulses sat there for just over £700 now not selling. You'd have to be extremely lucky to have anyone stupid enough to spend more than that, especially up to £900-£1000. As i pointed out you can get a brand new top end 5070ti from OCUK for £899.
If they have to come down much further, i can't see how it is worth the time and hassle for potentially less than £100 profit (maybe only £50).
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