OcUK GUIDE TO ORDERING YOUR AMD 9070 GRAPHICS CARD TODAY AT 14:00

[Jono8]

Actually you're right, there are a couple in stock but at £900 and £1000 i doubt anyone's buying....

Yeh they are sticking around in stock now, even at around £850. Even OCUK have had one for £889 in stock for a while now.

Unfortunately they still seem to be selling at that price but much slower than before.

The audience looking for that level of performance is going to seriously dwindle though with the 9070 XT soaking up all the sales.

 

[gupsterg]

That's not bad then. I'm sure another will come up soon enough. The nitro+ is showing permanently purchasable now and not even needing pings. Dates are coming in also, now showing start of may instead the end of it.

Now its showing as 1 to 2 days, and still available. One place has had Giga XT Gaming for a few days now also. So some what stampede maybe slowing down.

 

[ICDP]

Please correct me if I'm wrong as I've not really looked at path tracing. Doesn't path tracing fall flat on its face for most (if not all) GPUs

Yes, my 4080 can’t do it at 4K with DLSS performance which is about 1080p. But at 1440p DLSS balanced it’s doable. The 9070 XT will struggle to hit mid 50 FPS at the same settings but setting FSR4 using Optiscaler and performance at 1440p it becomes very playable.

So it is very possible to get playable FPS with excellent IQ in path tracing at 1440p using a 9070 XT.

 

[michty_me]

Now its showing as 1 to 2 days, and still available. One place has had Giga XT Gaming for a few days now also. So some what stampede maybe slowing down.

I was referring to the XT model but yes, I agree, It certainly seems to be easing!

 

[ICDP]

They still fall flat on their face at times though so it's swings and roundabouts

Finally DF found a stick to beat RDNA4 with.

 

[Jono8]

Now its showing as 1 to 2 days, and still available. One place has had Giga XT Gaming for a few days now also. So some what stampede maybe slowing down.

It will inevitably slow/stop. There isn't infinite demand and no GPUs in stock like there was for the 3xxx series gen.

Eventually, the vast majority who wanted to spend £600-£700 on a new GPU will have had their fill.

 

[ChosenName]

Finally DF found a stick to beat RDNA4 with.

Reminds me of Gameworks / Hairworks, and hair being rendered in one particular benchmark (even when it was not in view) that would pull down AMD performance.

 

[ICDP]

Reminds me of Gameworks / Hairworks, and hair being rendered in one particular benchmark (even when it was not in view) that would pull down AMD performance.

The thing is they didn’t even test with upscaling. They are also comparing against a GPU with a much higher price. Compare the XT with the 5070 and the difference is not so stark.

I use Optiscaler to inject FSR4 into CP2077 and with all graphics setting maxed including Path Tracing, it gets 75 FPS at 1440p with FSR performance (55 with balanced) This is because FSR 4 at lower resolutions and performance is far FAR more useable now.

Switching between FSR 3 and 4 at lower settings and resolution is glaringly obvious that AMD have really made big strides into the Nvidia software “stack” USPs.

Here is a better video with FSR4 at 1440p using path tracing in CP2077.

 

[GhostDog1981]

The thing is they didn’t even test with upscaling. I use Optiscaler to inject FSR4 into CP2077 and with all graphics setting maxed including Path Tracing, it gets 75 FPS at 1440p with FSR performance. This is because FSR at lower resolutions and performance is far FAR more useable.

Is path tracing at FSR performance noticeably worse than DLSS at say quality on a 4080- from your personal experience?

 

[ICDP]

Is path tracing at FSR performance noticeably worse than DLSS at say quality on a 4080- from your personal experience?

No, not glaringly so. Let me be clear, DLSS4 transformer is excellent and the fact it works on older RTX GPUs is a big bonus. But the difference between it and FSR4 is not as obvious as With DLSS3 and FSR3 in like for like. In fact performance upscaling at 1440p in FSR4 looks better than performance in DLSS4 transformer model. At least in CP2077.

In short, FSR4 trades blows with DLSS 4 transformer model being marginally better overall but FSR4 having some wins here and there. I always felt FSR3 at 4K quality was useable, but that at lower settings and resolutions it was starting to become progressively useless. FSR4 totally fixes that problem and basically eliminates any quality advantage DLSS had.

Let’s hope AMD start pushing devs to utilise FSR4 a lot more because DLSS is in a lot more games. Having said that the Optiscaler mod lets me inject it into a lot of modern DX12 games.

 

[no_1_dave]

Finally DF found a stick to beat RDNA4 with.

It's true though

Reminds me of Gameworks / Hairworks, and hair being rendered in one particular benchmark (even when it was not in view) that would pull down AMD performance.

This is very different to that

The thing is they didn’t even test with upscaling. They are also comparing against a GPU with a much higher price. Compare the XT with the 5070 and the difference is not so stark.

The 5070 is also in the benchmarks, you can see it right there with the others, still performing better. Don't forget the AMD cards are being scalped as well so the prices are not too dissimilar in their retrospective categories.

Bottom line is that there is no excuse for the poor PT performance when compared like for like, especially considering the decent raster performance. It's their 3rd gen RT/PT generation so they should be performing better than they are. They've released another generation where you need to choose which brand to go with based on if you want RT/PT or not which at this stage should not be a differentiating factor. It's really shoddy of them, just like Nvidia's shoddy 50 series drivers, shoddy workmanship not using 2x 12pin sockets on the 5090 and pushing cards out with missing ROPS. Both companies have cut corners this generation and both should be called out for it... 3 generations and still release cards with PT performance below 50% of what the competition offers is poor, no matter how you spin it.

 

[ICDP]

lol, no it’s not true because none of the GPUs shown are remotely playable with PT at 1440p mainstream without upscaling. Using upscaling makes all of them playable at 1440p.

It’s not as significant as you (or they) are making out. Even DF have said RT performance is very good on AMD RDNA4. So using PT in games optimised for Nvidia is hardly surprising Nvidia win.

I am able to play CP2077 at 1440p full PT with balanced or Performance FSR4 settings using a 9070 XT.

The only thing missing that makes a difference is RR

 

[alexp999]

AMD is known for their Fine Wine, we are still on launch drivers for the 9070, path tracing may not have been a high priority, but it could improve with new drivers.

 

[nomadd]

It’s not as significant as you (or they) are making out.

Actually, it's very, very significant.

For DF. As if they don't shill PT they don't get their cheque from Nvidia.

Must keep those "In partnership with Nvidia.." videos coming in or Wichard is out of a job.

 

[ChosenName]

This is very different to that

Is it though?

It strikes me that it's a feature that is barely useable yet, i.e. very few players will be able to make use of it due to lack of GPU performance, while being used as a "my brand's better than your brand" metric - while disregarding the price point of the cards in question. It's no different from Hairworks or first gen RT in that respect.

When the feature becomes more accessible then it becomes more relevant, noting that most GPU buyers don't buy top tier cards.

 

[Chud_Jenny]

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[no_1_dave]

When the feature becomes more accessible then it becomes more relevant, noting that most GPU buyers don't buy top tier cards.

Exactly my point... AMD again have held it back for thousands of gamers. It's their 3rd gen with it so there is no excuse.

 

[stuartharrison]

My pure states end of April

I've got an order for one of those as well same ETA.

Mine started as May, then became end of April - now it's next Monday, March 24th so I should imagine yours is as well.
They said on the phone that it was being shipped and that it would arrive a lot sooner than May.
They'll send an email when they have a proper date, so it may arrive sooner.

 

[ICDP]

Exactly my point... AMD again have held it back for thousands of gamers. It's their 3rd gen with it so there is no excuse.

Why do you keep ignoring that PT is actually playable on RDNA4? You are acting like it is utterly unusable on anything but Nvidia.

At the same price point the nearest Nvidia competitor still needs upscaling at balanced or performance at 1440p.

All these comparisons of a 9070 XT to a 5070Ti seem to ignore they are not remotely the same price tier.

 

[stuartharrison]

The Nitro+ I had on order with them was end of may delivery so was expecting a back log. Will see if it dispatches later today. Have you got an estimated delivery date?

I haven't seen a nitro+ there.