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The panic selling/moving to cash is unreal in here....
Unless you have an immediate need for the cash, or are very close to retirement or another major life event (buying house etc) - Leave you money invested.
Say it every 3 or 4 weeks - Time in the markets is better than timing the markets.
Recent slide I've been talking to clients about.... There is always a reason not to be invested.... So why not just leave it.
Unless you have an immediate need for the cash, or are very close to retirement or another major life event (buying house etc) - Leave you money invested.
Say it every 3 or 4 weeks - Time in the markets is better than timing the markets.
Recent slide I've been talking to clients about.... There is always a reason not to be invested.... So why not just leave it.
Most of the panic seems to be from people in individual stocks, mostly the tech/AI FOMO ones so there is no certainty they will ever reach those highs again, your graph shows an index, over time they pretty much all march higher because earnings tend to grow a bit above inflation and there is less emphasis on any single stock doing well.The panic selling/moving to cash is unreal in here....
Unless you have an immediate need for the cash, or are very close to retirement or another major life event (buying house etc) - Leave you money invested.
Say it every 3 or 4 weeks - Time in the markets is better than timing the markets.
Recent slide I've been talking to clients about.... There is always a reason not to be invested.... So why not just leave it.
Loads of people on here talk about S&P 500 tracker / World Trackers as well to be fair, and selling out of those.
But your point is certainly valid about single stocks etc.
Still maintain that 95% of people shouldn't be playing around with single company stocks... Yes it's "fun" but in reality if you want long term growth - 20/30 years - Tracker/index/low cost funds will do the job better than trying to find the next "best thing" as a single company stock.
Mine was nothing but luck, I sold out most things on 22 Jan 25, not because of skill but because of luck and I felt a 49.5% profit in a very short space of time was enough to call it quits, then Deepseek came out and crashed the stocks I just sold (mostly AVGO).
I have got it wrong so many times in the past, this one time by a stroke of luck I got it right.
My hope is a couple of good years ahead and then move over to a SMP500 tracker and leave it for 25 years.
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Yeah I think when the thread started the intention was individual stocks/gambling, so big stuff and panic happening is all part of the fun of the the thread.
People telling other people to get a global tracker and relax for a few decades is very much against the spirit of the thread.
Bring on the panic and hopefully one day (or year), elation as things bounce.
I might have a look at my vanguard account the day after the tariffs hit, but I think I might get drunk before I log in.
I understand that generally that is good advice. However most of the major drops in the market on the chart relate to a single major unexpected events. There are exceptions like covid, which was an ongoing story, lasting several years and was a worldwide issue.
but I can not recall a time when worldwide markets are on tenterhooks each workday morning to see what a single individual has said or not said, with no end in sight as to his ability to disrupt and sow financial chaos. What we do know is his stated aim to MAGA, and financially that currently appears to mean becoming isolationist and having policies that encourage US manufacturing and discourage US imports.
Geopolitically, other than Israel, he has freely expressed that the US to no longer going to be the worlds police force. Add in that he has made public commentary about the US acquiring other countries, and providing allies somewhat toned down military equipment. That is potentially a LOT of impact in a LOT of areas that will affect the markets.
IMO, we haven't been here before, and we are only a couple months into a 4 year agenda.
In relation to that chart, I think a lot of it prior to the mid 90s can be discounted. It is only in the post-internet era that there has been a massive explosion in consumer level share dealing, and mostly only in the last 15-20 years. This, along with autotrading and the rapid dissemination of news that the internet again has provided, has resulted in a magnitude or more increase in volatility than prior.
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Tracker is the safe way and think it would take around 8 years to double money at 10% average per year plus compound interest.
However you can speed this up if you’re willing to take added volitility/risk. You can still spread risk but you will never have the diversity of a tracker.
You can get middle ground and not just YOLO into one stock and try spanning as many different industries as possible and control percentage in each stock held and DCA buys not just one big amount.
Before Trump got in I had doubled my money in 10 months (this would have taken 8 years tracker way)
Agent Trump crash (and the LUNR stock crash) has trimmed that down to 50% but that is realised gains and I’m happy to sit on hands until things calm down. I’m currently trimming any 10-20% gain and seeing how tomorrow goes with tariff day.
Most S&P trackers are heavily weighted into MAG 7 anyway, so those are still going to get hit hard too if things continue.
However you can speed this up if you’re willing to take added volitility/risk. You can still spread risk but you will never have the diversity of a tracker.
You can get middle ground and not just YOLO into one stock and try spanning as many different industries as possible and control percentage in each stock held and DCA buys not just one big amount.
Before Trump got in I had doubled my money in 10 months (this would have taken 8 years tracker way)
Agent Trump crash (and the LUNR stock crash) has trimmed that down to 50% but that is realised gains and I’m happy to sit on hands until things calm down. I’m currently trimming any 10-20% gain and seeing how tomorrow goes with tariff day.
Most S&P trackers are heavily weighted into MAG 7 anyway, so those are still going to get hit hard too if things continue.
Even a lot of global funds are heavily US weighted so it's all a bit painful.
Yeah I think when the thread started the intention was individual stocks/gambling, so big stuff and panic happening is all part of the fun of the the thread.
People telling other people to get a global tracker and relax for a few decades is very much against the spirit of the thread.
Bring on the panic and hopefully one day (or year), elation as things bounce.
I might have a look at my vanguard account the day after the tariffs hit, but I think I might get drunk before I log in.
yep agreed, my opinion is that the thread has been ruined by a few who claim to be experts but literally just say they buy a world tracker repeatedly one of whom was asking how an isa works only a few years back/
also calling Nvidia a meme /fomo stock when its market cap is bigger than all the companies on the LSE and is near 4 percent of vwrl/
i think they are sour at the moment as their trackers have tanked a massive amount but only have the nerve for their scatter gun type edit investing
i could call some more BS with examples but got a temp thread ban last time
need an investing thread to remove the deadwood edit when I think about it it's more the fake experts that annoy me not the talk of say the strength of the dollars effect on VWRL ect.
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Fair point I guess. TBH though I dont see much trading in here, people drawing imaginary lines on charts etc etc. It is mostly people latching onto stocks that are mooning and hoping it goes further
Fair point I guess. TBH though I dont see much trading in here, people drawing imaginary lines on charts etc etc. It is mostly people latching onto stocks that are mooning and hoping it goes further
But a lot of people want some money while they are still able to spend it
It's perfectly valid advice to tell people that DCA-ing into trackers is the sensible approach, because it is.
Sure you can get better returns with a more risky approach investing in individual stocks, but it's not wrong. Personally I don't buy into overpriced FOMO stocks like TSLA and nVidia, I tend to split between a bit of very risky small cap stuff, and big stocks when I think they are underpriced (AMD and Intel I picked up in the recent lull).
Yeah I don't think it's a bad thing it's just the few who put people down for having a punt on individual stocks and trying to turn a profit, I don't mind advice tbh
But a lot of people want some money while they are still able to spend it
but you can do that while trading trackers over the long run more successfully.
I am not investing for my retirement, I am investing so my savings can work for me and grow my wealth, potentially leading to financial independence, or simply being splashed out buying a ski chalet or a yacht.
Fair point I guess. TBH though I dont see much trading in here, people drawing imaginary lines on charts etc etc. It is mostly people latching onto stocks that are mooning and hoping it goes further
Exactly.
No one is trading, I haven't seen a single analysis or discussion on why a trade was made, techniques for value analysis etc. It is purely random stock picking and no different to betting on horses. It is laughable when people are buying quantum stocks without the faintest idea how quantum computers work, what quantum algorithms exist and what value that will bring, what why the market has failed to value the quatum stocks correctly.
Buying into tracker funds and not selling on a slightest dip is the closest we have to trading the stock market in this thread.
What a ridiculous statement You don't have to know how a quantum computer works to make money of it though you can buy on a news catalyst , I sold dwave quantum for 46 percent profit over a few weeks and other people on here skim on a big rise , you don't have to call it trading if you don't want to I still have near 100k of available to join the old man's investing club on here .
Btw I bought dwave just because it had quantum in the name , silly old me for taking a big profit
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