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I'd imagine an 8bitdo Ultimate that does have paddles will work just fine on the NS2 for those that still want them and be able to save some money at the same time. I already have one so I'm all set.
*** The Official Nintendo Switch 2 ***
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Not interested in the new Mario Kart either then?
You could very well be right but from a corporate standpoint the data has shown MK sells, 8 million copies sold on the Wii U of all things and it helped the 3DS when it was struggling. So why not launch a console with it for your 2.0 console.
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Probably more fool me but I'll always go with the official peripherals over 3rd party - the Pro I bought on launch with the OG Switch is still going strong so that gets handed to the eldest along with the OLED and then the Switch 2/Pro Controller 2 for me.
Many games series sell well time-and-time again over the years, particularly to casuals; GTA, FIFA/FC, Madden, Call of Duty. Mario Kart games have always sold very well with a very high attach rate.
Nintendo has always been dominant when it comes to the handheld market and I think with Switch timed it to perfection to release a hybrid console. It also avoided many of the errors of their previous Wii U with a much clearer message and software library from the Wii U to give it instant support. I think it also benefitted from the growth in interest in Nintendo again from returning adult players. And didn't stretch Nintendo trying to support two separate machines.
Re: Inflation I don't think you can wave it away. It's real and does impact people as you say, particularly as wages haven't kept up. However everything Nintendo is competing with for our leisure time; Theme Parks, Cinema, GPUs, PlayStations etc. have all gone up in price. Nintendo will face the same challenges as others, but I suspect in this market it's not about growth as much, but increasing the take up of digital, which is much more profitable and increasing the spend from each customer.
The Nintendo Pro controller was £60 RRP. Joy Cons £69.99 for a pack of two. A PlayStation Dualsense controller is £64.99 RRP. I'm not sure I get the relevance of a modern £60 GC controller. It's on par. Nintendo hardware has never been cheap. But I also think they aren't the greediest platform holder out there. Their games don't do £100 'best values MTX' that a lot of western published games tend to pull. They also haven't gone as hard into live services as the rest of the industry.
Again, history has shown us with the 3DS that the consumers don't stomach higher prices just for the sake of it, especially with iterative upgrades. The system did end up a success, but Nintendo had to bite the bullet and cut the prices. I'm not going to compare this launch to the Wii U because I don't feel it has anything in common with that one. Nintendo are taking a huge risk here by asking everyone to pay so much more for pretty much everything they're offering this generation. It could really shock their momentum they had with the original Switch. Nintendo has always been seen as the cheap and affordable option. To suddenly rugpull this from everyone I believe is an unforced error on their part. You can see it in almost every discussion online - talk is dominated by the pricing. We can safely say from the outset this is going to be nowhere near as successful as the original.
> I'm not sure I get the relevance of a modern £60 GC controller.
The other NSO controllers are nowhere near this price. The most expensive one is the N64 one at £40. It's relevant within the content of Nintendo's offerings.
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I've been holding off getting a Switch because of the pending Switch 2 release. While I waited I was also looking at alternatives like Steam deck and the Ally X.
Meh.
Seems like Switch 2 is going to be PS4 power for more moolah than a PS5 Digital....?
No OLED.
No Hall sticks.
Expensive games.
Poor launch titles.
I am much disappoint!
But I'm still tempted.........
However, I'm gonna hold off as I'm wondering what Microsoft's rumoured handheld will be like.
Once that drops I'll make a decision on where to invest my money.
I'm not invested in Nintendoness, so their console ecosystem and game quality needs to be top drawer to lead me to spend my money. I guess time will tell!
Meh.
Seems like Switch 2 is going to be PS4 power for more moolah than a PS5 Digital....?
No OLED.
No Hall sticks.
Expensive games.
Poor launch titles.
I am much disappoint!
But I'm still tempted.........
However, I'm gonna hold off as I'm wondering what Microsoft's rumoured handheld will be like.
Once that drops I'll make a decision on where to invest my money.
I'm not invested in Nintendoness, so their console ecosystem and game quality needs to be top drawer to lead me to spend my money. I guess time will tell!
Did they cut prices beyond the normal? I know the system struggled initially, but I think that's more lack of games to begin with. Back then hardware did get cheaper over time versus launch price. Something that doesn't happen anymore. With the Wii and DS Nintendo had obscene levels of success and I think a successor was always going to struggle to do as well. Particularly as mobile gaming was really taking off and is a bigger reason 3DS didn't sell as well.
I don't know the exact specs of the new GC controller but again everything has gone up. It's not costing £200, or something silly. Inflationary pressure and costs are real.
I think the one area where price has gone up exponentially is the pricing of their software. It's much more inline with their competitors.
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I'm a little similar but Microsoft's "handheld" at least the imminent thing appears to be just an Asus Ally with the new Windows "Game" UI - it looks like it could be a while before there's actually a handheld "Xbox" itself
I've been holding off getting a Switch because of the pending Switch 2 release. While I waited I was also looking at alternatives like Steam deck and the Ally X.
Meh.
Seems like Switch 2 is going to be PS4 power for more moolah than a PS5 Digital....?
No OLED.
No Hall sticks.
Expensive games.
Poor launch titles.
I am much disappoint!
But I'm still tempted.........
However, I'm gonna hold off as I'm wondering what Microsoft's rumoured handheld will be like.
Once that drops I'll make a decision on where to invest my money.
I'm not invested in Nintendoness, so their console ecosystem and game quality needs to be top drawer to lead me to spend my money. I guess time will tell!
But then you will need to wait to see what Microsoft's 2nd handheld is like before deciding if you should buy the first one (don't forget the Switch 3)
Did we get confirmation on the No Hall sticks?
They cut the system price from around 250 to 180. It was a pretty big cut at the time. It made headlines because Iwata also took a pay cut and those who bought the system at its initial price got into the ambassador program, which gave them a handful of free games.
I think one thing to remember here is back in the Wii days, Nintendo wanted to make Wii Sports a priced game. Reggie (president of NoA at the time) fought Nintendo very hard on this, and they gave in and included it in all systems. He was 100% correct, and it is why the system became so astoundingly successful.
The gamers at the top of Nintendo (Iwata, Reggie) are long gone and it feels Nintendo has forgotten its roots. When they're charging for a tech demo Reggie would've killed them over doing, you know they've lost the plot.
I'm a docked mode only gamer so I'm the same.
I also don't care about OLED. I'm just kind of scratching my head why we got VRR/120hz/HDR and yet the games showed off didn't use DLSS. Donkey Kong for example looked a bit of a mess at 1080p, DLSS would've cleaned the image up pretty nicely.
Apparently BotW/TotK will only be 1440p as well... why?
Apparently BotW/TotK will only be 1440p as well... why?
It's not like Wii u mk8 to mk8 deluxe for switch , Mario kart world is not a refresh
From what I remember the Iwata pay cut was not attributed to 3DS, more so the collapse in Wii U sales and Nintendo was struggling massively. BBC News link. I also remember £100 being lopped off the N64 and Xbox OG within 2-months for both in the UK (I bought both at launch doh!). So I'm just not sure I see the parralels given everything currently has gone up in price. Although as mentioned nothing is given so I don't assume Nintendo will have the same success, but equally if I had to guess I think they are well placed to do well.
But this is probably where I dissagree; I think Nintendo is in a position of strength atm and you can see some of that in the non-videogame activities; like the Mario movie, theme parks, shops etc. (was the busiest shop when we went to New York last October). I don't think they have lost the plot at all. My sense is that along with Valve, Apple and Sony they are going to remain one of the dominant gaming platforms. Although there is a industry-wide pattern of a shift towards services, away from hardware that may impact Sony & Nintendo more in the future. But who knows.
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Not sure yet. I put over 500 hours into MK8 but I’ve not played it for years. I don’t play much online stuff anymore I just stick to single player. Donkey Kong interests me more.
Neither can Nintendo then clearly, but to me that new MK looks like a MK version of the newer Forza games (look at how well that has done).
Doesn't take any kind of mindset to see that MK world is a different game as well, and clearly it makes the most sense to have as a system seller based on MK8. Suppose we'll just see when it gets released and sells millions, again.
Just had a quick read through The MK & DK previews and apart from the $80 price tag on MK they can't give either of them enough praise. Looks promising
Will watch a couple of videos later.
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