Disappointing performance, Zotac RTX 5070 Ti.

[PeterEv]

Hey,

So on release day I was lucky enough to pick up a Gigabyte Aorus RX 9070 XT Elite from a well known online retailer for £760, I was coming from an RTX 4070 Ti Super. I've found the AMD way of doing things a little involved/different, I've always had Nvidia. My main gaming is BO6 using a 32" MSI 240hz curved monitor, cpu is a 9800X3D in an Asus X870 TUF mobo. I do understand that AMD have a bit of an advantage with BO6 however..

The 9070 appears to be quite a good card achieving 7239 in Steel Nomad and 31808 and 24603 in Time Spy stock. I've tried a little overclocking with the best so far of 33329 and 25231 in Time Spy and 7718 in Steel Nomad.

Believing that a 5070 Ti would give similar performance to the 9070 (having the option to return the 9070 up until 11th April), I purchased a Zotac RTX5070 Ti Solid ZT-B50710D3-10P from OCUK on Friday last. I now live in Ireland so having it arrive yesterday morning was amazing service by OCUK.

So excitedly I fitted the 5070 Ti, DDU'd the system, installed the latest game ready driver and that's when the excitement turned to disappointment. Stock it made 27739 and 22371 in TS and 6544 in SN. There's no scope to increase the power limit with this card although I did try +2000mhz mem and +300 mhz core and it produced 28706 and 22885 in TS. This crashed in BO6, unstable. At stock the 5070 Ti is ~50 fps using DLSS and frame gen below the 9070 using FSR4 at 1440p Ultra setting.

I've requested to return the 5070 Ti to OCUK which they've kindly accepted.

My question is whether the results I've listed above, are disappointing for the 5070 Ti or above average for the 9070 XT? Was I being stupid expecting any (I know this is an MSRP model) 5070 Ti to be far closer to a factory OC'd 9070 XT?

Thanks for any (constructive!) observations!

Peter.

 

[Gray2233]

Have you actually tried playing any games to see if there's much difference?

That said, coming from a 4070ti Super the 5070ti is a borderline sidegrade, as is the 9070XT for that matter as they're barely any quicker outside of one or two scenarios. Unless for some reason you needed your old card for a second system or it was faulty, you'd really have been better off skipping this generation entirely. The only card with worthwhile uplift from what you had in my mind would have been the ridiculously expensive 5090.

Edit:

Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ Review - Beating NVIDIA

AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs are launching today. The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ is a fantastic custom design with powerful cooling and whisper-quiet fans. In terms of FPS, the RX 9070 XT offers competitive performance with similarly priced NVIDIA options in both raster and ray tracing.

www.techpowerup.com

There's around 10% difference between the 4070tiS and the 5070ti/9070XT on average at 1440P for example.

 

[muon]

Well if you play Black Ops 6, then you should have kept the 9070 XT.

They are both similar cards on average when RT is off. But in BO6 the AMD card is a lot better.

Below

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Review

AMD's Radeon 9070 GPUs have been the subject of much speculation, but now we finally have the hardware in hand. Let's put the 9070 XT to the test to...

www.techspot.com

 

[Kirby Wurm]

But in BO6 the AMD card is a lot better.

This. COD games have run a lot better on AMD cards for a few years now, so if that's your primary game then a 9070 is the way to go.

 

[PeterEv]

Have you actually tried playing any games to see if there's much difference?

That said, coming from a 4070ti Super the 5070ti is a borderline sidegrade, as is the 9070XT for that matter as they're barely any quicker outside of one or two scenarios. Unless for some reason you needed your old card for a second system or it was faulty, you'd really have been better off skipping this generation entirely. The only card with worthwhile uplift from what you had in my mind would have been the ridiculously expensive 5090.

Edit:

Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ Review - Beating NVIDIA

AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs are launching today. The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ is a fantastic custom design with powerful cooling and whisper-quiet fans. In terms of FPS, the RX 9070 XT offers competitive performance with similarly priced NVIDIA options in both raster and ray tracing.

www.techpowerup.com

There's around 10% difference between the 4070tiS and the 5070ti/9070XT on average at 1440P for example.

Thanks but I'm comfortable with the change as the 4070 TiS was returned for a full refund. I'd much rather have a current gen card than a previous gen for the same money. DLSS4, FSR4, etc.

I have played BO6 with both cards, as I mentioned above. The 5070Ti is circa 50 fps short of the 9070XT, both cards stock..

My main purpose of this thread was to see if the significant performance shortfall of the 5070 Ti compared with the 9070XT is surprising/normal/to be expected..

 

[PeterEv]

Well if you play Black Ops 6, then you should have kept the 9070 XT.

They are both similar cards on average when RT is off. But in BO6 the AMD card is a lot better.

Below

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Review

AMD's Radeon 9070 GPUs have been the subject of much speculation, but now we finally have the hardware in hand. Let's put the 9070 XT to the test to...

www.techspot.com

Thanks but I am keeping the 9070, the 5070 is going back to OCUK..

 

[muon]

Thanks but I'm comfortable with the change as the 4070 TiS was returned for a full refund. I'd much rather have a current gen card than a previous gen for the same money. DLSS4, FSR4, etc.

I have played BO6 with both cards, as I mentioned above. The 5070Ti is circa 50 fps short of the 9070XT, both cards stock..

My main purpose of this thread was to see if the significant performance shortfall of the 5070 Ti compared with the 9070XT is surprising/normal/to be expected..

Have you read the benchmarks by game?

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

Hey,

So on release day I was lucky enough to pick up a Gigabyte Aorus RX 9070 XT Elite from a well known online retailer for £760, I was coming from an RTX 4070 Ti Super. I've found the AMD way of doing things a little involved/different, I've always had Nvidia. My main gaming is BO6 using a 32" MSI 240hz curved monitor, cpu is a 9800X3D in an Asus X870 TUF mobo. I do understand that AMD have a bit of an advantage with BO6 however..

The 9070 appears to be quite a good card achieving 7239 in Steel Nomad and 31808 and 24603 in Time Spy stock. I've tried a little overclocking with the best so far of 33329 and 25231 in Time Spy and 7718 in Steel Nomad.

Believing that a 5070 Ti would give similar performance to the 9070 (having the option to return the 9070 up until 11th April), I purchased a Zotac RTX5070 Ti Solid ZT-B50710D3-10P from OCUK on Friday last. I now live in Ireland so having it arrive yesterday morning was amazing service by OCUK.

So excitedly I fitted the 5070 Ti, DDU'd the system, installed the latest game ready driver and that's when the excitement turned to disappointment. Stock it made 27739 and 22371 in TS and 6544 in SN. There's no scope to increase the power limit with this card although I did try +2000mhz mem and +300 mhz core and it produced 28706 and 22885 in TS. This crashed in BO6, unstable. At stock the 5070 Ti is ~50 fps using DLSS and frame gen below the 9070 using FSR4 at 1440p Ultra setting.

I've requested to return the 5070 Ti to OCUK which they've kindly accepted.

My question is whether the results I've listed above, are disappointing for the 5070 Ti or above average for the 9070 XT? Was I being stupid expecting any (I know this is an MSRP model) 5070 Ti to be far closer to a factory OC'd 9070 XT?

Thanks for any (constructive!) observations!

Peter.

Peter I had the same experience going from 5070Ti MSI Ventus to 9070 XT Nitro.

5070Ti felt good but it felt like it was built for a "purpose" and couldn't be tweaked much.
On the other hand 9070 XT is a beast that you could tinker with and tweak her to your desire

 

[Tetras]

My main purpose of this thread was to see if the significant performance shortfall of the 5070 Ti compared with the 9070XT is surprising/normal/to be expected..

If you want to check if the card is working properly, Guru3D still include Time Spy in their reviews. The Steel Nomad is only FPS (no score) and I don't know if you can compare that.

 

[mmj_uk]

I'm not really familiar with those benchmarks but the 9070XT has more ROP's (128 v 96) and higher clockspeed so at traditional rendering it should be far superior to the 5070 Ti, although the lower memory bandwidth probably handicaps it somewhat.

 

[Gray2233]

Thanks but I'm comfortable with the change as the 4070 TiS was returned for a full refund. I'd much rather have a current gen card than a previous gen for the same money. DLSS4, FSR4, etc.

I have played BO6 with both cards, as I mentioned above. The 5070Ti is circa 50 fps short of the 9070XT, both cards stock..

My main purpose of this thread was to see if the significant performance shortfall of the 5070 Ti compared with the 9070XT is surprising/normal/to be expected..

I don't personally rate synthetic benchmarks as accurate (being Steel Nomad and Time Spy) which I did note you quoted, I wasn't sure about BO6 showing much of a difference.

As mentioned by @muon CoD has favoured AMD significantly for some years now, although I was only fully aware of that being the case with Warzone.

If looking at MSRP I'd personally opt for the 9070XT every time over the 5070ti even outside of CoD to be honest, the Nvidia card does have benefits and is on average a little quicker outside of RT, but not to the extent to justify the difference in price between the two.

You'll find that if you play a multitude of titles and make use of upscaling, that DLSS is still better than FSR4 (although not by a huge margin, unlike FSR3.1), and that RT if it should matter to you is still a chunk better on the 5070ti, but again not by a massive margin as was the case with the last gen of cards. If you focus on a handful of games it'll depend, as we've established CoD loves AMD but the same is true in reverse with the odd title in favour of Nvidia. It balances out more or less, but averages don't matter when you have specific interests.

I don't think your 5070ti is necessarily showing any problems, but it is worth noting that Nvidia has been in driver hell for awhile now which might be worth playing with. A lot of people recommend rolling back a few iterations due to problems with the last few releases, if you still have the card it's worth checking into. I would be careful however, as at least one of those releases was reported to brick cards.

As an aside, if you like to fiddle with tech there's actually people flashing 9070's with 9070XT bios at the moment and getting on par or better speeds than the latter.

 

[PeterEv]

Have you read the benchmarks by game?

Not specifically but I've watched countless videos and comparisons. I don't really want to be limited by my current favourite game in case I move on to something else which might perform better on one brand than the other. I just had it in my head that any 5070 Ti would be similar in general performance to the 9070XT not this much worse..

 

[PeterEv]

Peter I had the same experience going from 5070Ti MSI Ventus to 9070 XT Nitro.

5070Ti felt good but it felt like it was built for a "purpose" and couldn't be tweaked much.
On the other hand 9070 XT is a beast that you could tinker with and tweak her to your desire

Thanks, good to hear!

 

[PeterEv]

If you want to check if the card is working properly, Guru3D still include Time Spy in their reviews. The Steel Nomad is only FPS (no score) and I don't know if you can compare that.

Thanks Tetras. After running TS it did put my 5070 Ti at the lower end of other results for the 5070 Ti so I don't imagine it's actually faulty, just a lesser performer probably..

 

[PeterEv]

I don't personally rate synthetic benchmarks as accurate (being Steel Nomad and Time Spy) which I did note you quoted, I wasn't sure about BO6 showing much of a difference.

As mentioned by @muon CoD has favoured AMD significantly for some years now, although I was only fully aware of that being the case with Warzone.

If looking at MSRP I'd personally opt for the 9070XT every time over the 5070ti even outside of CoD to be honest, the Nvidia card does have benefits and is on average a little quicker outside of RT, but not to the extent to justify the difference in price between the two.

You'll find that if you play a multitude of titles and make use of upscaling, that DLSS is still better than FSR4 (although not by a huge margin, unlike FSR3.1), and that RT if it should matter to you is still a chunk better on the 5070ti, but again not by a massive margin as was the case with the last gen of cards. If you focus on a handful of games it'll depend, as we've established CoD loves AMD but the same is true in reverse with the odd title in favour of Nvidia. It balances out more or less, but averages don't matter when you have specific interests.

I don't think your 5070ti is necessarily showing any problems, but it is worth noting that Nvidia has been in driver hell for awhile now which might be worth playing with. A lot of people recommend rolling back a few iterations due to problems with the last few releases, if you still have the card it's worth checking into. I would be careful however, as at least one of those releases was reported to brick cards.

As an aside, if you like to fiddle with tech there's actually people flashing 9070's with 9070XT bios at the moment and getting on par or better speeds than the latter.

Thanks Gray. I'm honestly not OCD about quality, half the time I hardly notice any difference from going from say Ultra to Balanced or whatever, fps/latency is much more noticeable to me. I agree that benchmarks aren't necessarily totally accurate but when running 2 cards on the same system give different reults it's hard not to take them as indicative if nothing else. As I mentioned, I am keeping the 9070XT and will play around with the settings in time, Adrenalin has so many more options than Nvidia which I need to read up on..

 

[PeterEv]

I'm not really familiar with those benchmarks but the 9070XT has more ROP's (128 v 96) and higher clockspeed so at traditional rendering it should be far superior to the 5070 Ti, although the lower memory bandwidth probably handicaps it somewhat.

I think you're probably right in your assessment which flies in the face of so many reviews/comparisons I've read..

 

[Gray2233]

Thanks Gray. I'm honestly not OCD about quality, half the time I hardly notice any difference from going from say Ultra to Balanced or whatever, fps/latency is much more noticeable to me. I agree that benchmarks aren't necessarily totally accurate but when running 2 cards on the same system give different reults it's hard not to take them as indicative if nothing else. As I mentioned, I am keeping the 9070XT and will play around with the settings in time, Adrenalin has so many more options than Nvidia which I need to read up on..

I'm on Nvidia at the moment with a 4070 series card, the software compared to AMD's suit is poor in my opinion and a big thing I miss.

Whenever anyone complains about AMD vs Nvidia in that respect I can't help but laugh, I've used everything under the sun since the 90's and frankly the Nvidia control panel isn't much different to how it was 20 years ago. Their drivers are in a much worse state right now too, but if you haunt certain places (Steam forums, Reddit, one or two others) you'll see hordes of people claiming AMD/ATI is awful and Nv is the way to go. Usually based on them never having owned products from both vendors, on data that was briefly the case a decade or more ago that other people complained about.

There's also the (albeit unlikely) chance your 5070ti had missing ROPs, that's yet another issue with Nvidia's current stack unfortunately. I swear this entire generation is a mess, for your use case AMD very much seems to be the best bet bud.

 

[PeterEv]

I'm on Nvidia at the moment with a 4070 series card, the software compared to AMD's suit is poor in my opinion and a big thing I miss.

Whenever anyone complains about AMD vs Nvidia in that respect I can't help but laugh, I've used everything under the sun since the 90's and frankly the Nvidia control panel isn't much different to how it was 20 years ago. Their drivers are in a much worse state right now too, but if you haunt certain places (Steam forums, Reddit, one or two others) you'll see hordes of people claiming AMD/ATI is awful and Nv is the way to go. Usually based on them never having owned products from both vendors, on data that was briefly the case a decade or more ago that other people complained about.

There's also the (albeit unlikely) chance your 5070ti had missing ROPs, that's yet another issue with Nvidia's current stack unfortunately. I swear this entire generation is a mess, for your use case AMD very much seems to be the best bet bud.

Ha, the first thing I did was to check the ROPs, all present and correct..

Thanks again mate..

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

I'm on Nvidia at the moment with a 4070 series card, the software compared to AMD's suit is poor in my opinion and a big thing I miss.

Whenever anyone complains about AMD vs Nvidia in that respect I can't help but laugh, I've used everything under the sun since the 90's and frankly the Nvidia control panel isn't much different to how it was 20 years ago. Their drivers are in a much worse state right now too, but if you haunt certain places (Steam forums, Reddit, one or two others) you'll see hordes of people claiming AMD/ATI is awful and Nv is the way to go. Usually based on them never having owned products from both vendors, on data that was briefly the case a decade or more ago that other people complained about.

There's also the (albeit unlikely) chance your 5070ti had missing ROPs, that's yet another issue with Nvidia's current stack unfortunately. I swear this entire generation is a mess, for your use case AMD very much seems to be the best bet bud.

Missing ROPs is now a dead herring, really.

AMD drivers are so much better than the days of VEGA and POLARIS when I last had AMD cards, that is unbelievable.
But that's not to say they are perfect. They are still lagging behind in places ...

 

[Eddie99]

I was lucky enough to pick up a Gigabyte Aorus RX 9070 XT Elite from a well known online retailer for £760

Lucky is not how I would describe paying 33% above MSRP for a 9070 XT.

I just had it in my head that any 5070 Ti would be similar in general performance to the 9070XT not this much worse

The 5070 Ti is similar in performance to a 9070 XT, but if you're only playing BO6 right now then obviously you're going to be disappointed. That said, it is worth pointing out that if you're running FSR4 and DLSS4 then it's not a like for like comparison because DLSS4 is superior in image quality. I saw a comparison video between the 5070 Ti (DLSS 3) and 9070 XT (FSR4) on BO6 and the 5070 Ti was faster, though FSR4 is slightly better image quality than DLSS 3.