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Does anyone here have a Toyota BZ4X? Used prices seem mega tasty for a year old motion spec with hardly any miles at~£25k. Mental depreciation from new (over £21k in a year/10k miles).

As a long term proposition with the 10 year warranty, it seems like a car you could keep for ages and it would cost you relatively little in total ownership costs/depreciation if you kept it for that long.

My other option is a Kia EV6, but that is an older (22 plate) and more mileage one for the same money and likely only about 4 years warranty left. I would fancy the speed/acceleration of the AWD one though...


I know the EV6 is the better car (at least judging from all the reviews), but my boring sensible head is telling me the BZ4X is a great proposition for keeping long term.
 
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Jono8 said:
As a long term proposition with the 10 year warranty, it seems like a car you could keep for ages and it would cost you relatively little in total ownership costs/depreciation if you kept it for that long.
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It's 10 year on the battery, otherwise it is 3 year 60k miles. Kia warranty is much better overall, as is the car IMO.
 
Jono8 said:
Does anyone here have a Toyota BZ4X? Used prices seem mega tasty for a year old motion spec with hardly any miles at~£25k. Mental depreciation from new (over £21k in a year/10k miles).

As a long term proposition with the 10 year warranty, it seems like a car you could keep for ages and it would cost you relatively little in total ownership costs/depreciation if you kept it for that long.

My other option is a Kia EV6, but that is an older (22 plate) and more mileage one for the same money and likely only about 4 years warranty left. I would fancy the speed/acceleration of the AWD one though...


I know the EV6 is the better car (at least judging from all the reviews), but my boring sensible head is telling me the BZ4X is a great proposition for keeping long term.
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I had one for a year, it's decent. My biggest grips with it

Charger position is a pain if you need to use any Tesla charger and the spaces are tight.

The app is pretty pointless.

The infotainment system made me accept the terms and conditions every single time.

Another moan, you couldn't turn on the regen breaking if the battery was over 80%, but the car could do it for you, I hated the inconsistencies in my breaking.

Don't get me wrong it's a decent car, but our monthly journey on the A1 was hell for a year if the normal charger was busy and we had to use the tesla one
 
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Journey said:
It's 10 year on the battery, otherwise it is 3 year 60k miles. Kia warranty is much better overall, as is the car IMO.
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Not really. Toyota renew the manufacturers warranty every time you service it (so every year) for 10 years /100,000 miles so technically it's better than Kia.

It's effectively a 10 year warranty because I'd service any car still under manufacturers warranty at a main dealer anyway to ensure they have little excuse not to put things right when they break.
 
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kkelly said:
I had one for a year, it's decent. My biggest grips with it

Charger position is a pain if you need to use any Tesla charger and the spaces are tight.

The app is pretty pointless.

The infotainment system made me accept the terms and conditions every single time.

Another moan, you couldn't turn on the regen breaking if the battery was over 80%, but the car could do it for you, I hated the inconsistencies in my breaking.

Don't get me wrong it's a decent car, but our monthly journey on the A1 was hell for a year if the normal charger was busy and we had to use the tesla one
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I don't intend to do many long trips in it. I have a 28 mile round trip commute, and might do a 200+ mile trip a couple of times a year, so range and charging speed isn't such a big issue for me.

I'd likely just go on to a cheap overnight tariff and top it up each night after work.

I'm just concerned as to how it is THAT undesirable. It doesn't get that bad reviews. It just doesn't seem quite as good as the EV6 because it has a slightly worse range, isn't quite as sporty to drive and has slightly slower charging.


To me it seems like the biggest depreciation hit is gone already, and I don't see how it's going to end up worthless/how the depreciation won't slow down massively now, especially with the 10 year warranty Toyota offer.



As a long term proposition it appears it could work out cheap as chips with savings on fuel, no repairs to worry about and probably little to do maintenance wise on it apart from tyres for many years.
 
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I'm just concerned as to how it is THAT undesirable. It doesn't get that bad reviews. It just doesn't seem quite as good as the EV6 because it has a slightly worse range, isn't quite as sporty to drive and has slightly slower charging.
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Ignore the list price. A quick google shows Carwow knocking out new pre reg ones in Motion spec for £34k.
 
lordrobs said:
Ignore the list price. A quick google shows Carwow knocking out new pre reg ones in Motion spec for £34k.
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Even so/at that reduced list price, the £10k hit doesn't seem worth it over a year old one with 10k miles, especially considering the length of the warranty.

I wonder if the EV6 will hold its value significantly more in the long run when both cars are, say 6 years old.
 
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People have a tendency to overly focus on public charging speed and max range. Despite using neither the vast majority of the time.

Warranty and more importantly the warranty being honoured would be vastly more important to many. Toyota adding a lot of value there.

Having battles over warranty claims and people waiting long times for repairs is also part of the value added or taken away. Other manufacturers having poor history in that regard.
 
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People have a tendency to overly focus on public charging speed and max range. Despite using neither the vast majority of the time.

Warranty and more importantly the warranty being honoured would be vastly more important to many. Toyota adding a lot of value there.

Having battles over warranty claims and people waiting long times for repairs is also part of the value added or taken away. Other manufacturers having poor history in that regard.
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Yeh, the charging speed really isn't a big deal for me.

Day to day it will just be a top up overnight on a cheap tariff, and on the few occasions I go on an extra a long trip in it, an extra 15mins waiting at a service station is neither here nor there.

If you can't charge at home, I get it. But 99% of the time I'll be topping up 28 miles every night at home, or max probably 60 miles after a family outing or something :p.
 
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Jono8 said:
As a long term proposition it appears it could work out cheap as chips with savings on fuel, no repairs to worry about and probably little to do maintenance wise on it apart from tyres for many years.
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like longer MG&Kia warranties even the toyota one doesn't cover all repairs - like during original 3 years ie. V
saying that parents toyota which isn't far from 64/10years hasn't needed anything significant, so maintaining extended warranty would have had questionable economy;
you are paying a premium on the toyota bz even on 2nd hand market for that reliability, too ... vs similar sized megane e-tech say ?

13. Types of parts and components not covered by the Additional Warranty includes, but are not limitedto:a) Maintenance parts (e.g. parts that have to be replaced periodically, filters, brake pads, linings, shoesand cables, clutch disc, clutch cover and clutch bearing), wheels, rims, tyres, (V or multi V) belts,batteries (unless hybrid battery in case explicitly mentioned as covered), fluids, spark plugs,diagnostics);b) Rubber parts (e.g. rubber (heating) hoses, lines and tubes, engine or cabin mountings, moldings, wiperblades), drive shaft boots, shock absorbers (incl. pneumatic cylinders) and springs, stabilizer bushes,LPG parts/non-OE fuel systems and their direct and consequential damage (idem for adaptations to OEsystems to use LPG or non-OE fuel systems);c) Body and Paint (e.g. lights, lamps, bulbs, lenses, panels, bumpers, glass, chrome, antenna, handles andfabric, exterior trim, weather strips, shiny metals (metal parts without any coating) paint, any repairdue to any corrosion) though for the avoidance of doubt the general corrosion warranty will remain inplace;d) Interior (e.g. trims, seat covers, cushions, carpets, ventilation louvers, ash trays, cigarette lighter, shiftlever knob, dash cover and pad, steering wheel);e) Multimedia system screen and buttons;f) Parts, accessories and special equipment that have been installed to the vehicle that are not ofmatching quality to the original manufacturer's parts, accessories and special equipment;g) Genuine Toyota accessories that are not factory installed. Genuine Toyota are accessories that are hubinstalled in so far as they are not uploaded by Toyota (GB) plc on their internal system within threemonths after first vehicle registration;h) Certain individual parts and components e.g. exhaust system (all parts from manifold gasket to theoutlet inc. catalytic converter); headliner; hinger; nuts & bolts; fuses; clips; retainers and fasteners;drive belts and tensioners; front and rear stabilizer bar; engine and cabin mounts; combustion heater;EV and Plug-in charging cables
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Jono8 said:
Even so/at that reduced list price, the £10k hit doesn't seem worth it over a year old one with 10k miles, especially considering the length of the warranty.

I wonder if the EV6 will hold its value significantly more in the long run when both cars are, say 6 years old.
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Certainly not, just pointing out that the true depreciation isn't really £21k in a year as no one is paying that.

I'd certainly be happy with the Toyota based on your description and would just keep my fingers crossed that they continue to offer their additional 1 year warranty for getting it serviced with them. Should make a decent enough car for 9 years worry free in terms of mechanical issues.
 
lordrobs said:
Certainly not, just pointing out that the true depreciation isn't really £21k in a year as no one is paying that.

I'd certainly be happy with the Toyota based on your description and would just keep my fingers crossed that they continue to offer their additional 1 year warranty for getting it serviced with them. Should make a decent enough car for 9 years worry free in terms of mechanical issues.
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Yes i suppose that is a concern; that Toyota might pull the additional warranty with servicing. Might cause uproar if they pulled it on existing cars though as people will have bought them for that reason, so if they did change it, hopefully it would only be for newly registered cars and onwards.
 
Jono8 said:
Yes i suppose that is a concern; that Toyota might pull the additional warranty with servicing. Might cause uproar if they pulled it on existing cars though as people will have bought them for that reason, so if they did change it, hopefully it would only be for newly registered cars and onwards.
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Just to confirm you get a free extended year warranty for doing servicing with them? That would swing it for me.

I am also not bothered by range much. I want reliability and security above that. I will like you just be charging it at home.

Let me know if you get one and how it goes :)
 
It was a decent car we had one a one year lease, the focus on public chargers was we literally drive down the A1 to Newcastle on a almost bi weekly level and if the chargers are broken / blocked we have to use the tesla one and the cable doesn't reach
 
Well it’s been more than a month and still no sign of the ID.7

Last spoke to VW over a week ago saying that they think they’ve figured out the issue. Call me cynical but I think they haven’t.


Alphabet are just ignoring me now - completely unresponsive.
 
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Just to confirm you get a free extended year warranty for doing servicing with them? That would swing it for me.

I am also not bothered by range much. I want reliability and security above that. I will like you just be charging it at home.

Let me know if you get one and how it goes :)
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Yes, every time you service a Toyota you get an extra year warranty (up to 10 years/100,000 miles)

However as pointed out earlier it isn't quite as comprehensive as the original, but would probably mitigate most bigger repair bills. The one main concerning exclusion is the infotainment screen/unit. I imagine that would cost a fortune to replace if it went wrong....
 
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Well it’s been more than a month and still no sign of the ID.7

Last spoke to VW over a week ago saying that they think they’ve figured out the issue. Call me cynical but I think they haven’t.


Alphabet are just ignoring me now - completely unresponsive.
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I was going to suggest start dropping reviews on them.

But it seems you'll just be preaching to the choir :D https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/alphabet.co.uk
 
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kkelly said:
It was a decent car we had one a one year lease, the focus on public chargers was we literally drive down the A1 to Newcastle on a almost bi weekly level and if the chargers are broken / blocked we have to use the tesla one and the cable doesn't reach
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The problem with short charger cables isn't unique to that EV or even Tesla chargers or even the UK.

Really need a gas station style layout to facilitate different EVs and trailers.

"...Tesla V3 Superchargers have a cable length of roughly 6 to 6.5 feet (1.98 to 2 meters). V4 Superchargers have a longer cable, about 9.5 to 9.8 feet (2.9 to 3 meters). The V4 cable is designed to accommodate a wider range of charging port locations on non-Tesla vehicles..."
 
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