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They are the literal origin of the modern day word though so obviously they must have done some vandalism for the term to stick for future vandals ?
Sycamore Gap tree at Hadrian's Wall 'felled overnight'
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The name derived from them looting Rome. They tore down buildings to get at the valuable materials in them. Not just for the lols.
This is not what the evidence says. Increasing severity of punishments is expensive and ineffective; what matters is whether or not people believe they will get punished at all. (This is all relative to the current conditions, I imagine if the punishment for a serious crime was being made to stand in the corner for five minutes then increasing that to a year in jail is going to have an impact, but the punishments for crimes are already sever - there is very little more deterrent effect in a 10 year sentence than a two year sentence)
Whether people are forewarned or not doesn't change the fundamental objection. Why is it okay to punish one person in order to influence the behaviour of another?
Gate communities are low crime because they have rich people living in them, and they keep poor people out.
Moronic being the correct description.
The fact that the 2 men have denied criminal damage should hopefully give them a longer sentence.
Maybe put them in prison until a replacement tree has grown to the same size, then let them out.
The fact that the 2 men have denied criminal damage should hopefully give them a longer sentence.
Maybe put them in prison until a replacement tree has grown to the same size, then let them out.
They filmed it, and they're pleading "not guilty"? What are they expecting to happen here?
Or at the very least the “birch”.
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They recorded it to, clearly they are masterminds. Hopefully, this video along with their communications following it brings them to justice.
Cretins.
Cretins.
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If I am reading the sentencing guidelines correctly, I think the maximum they can receive is 4 years and they probably won't get that much.
And whilst this has obviously generated a huge amount of justified outrage, do we really think this is more serious that crimes of violence? Or serious sexual offences? Etc.
Well it was slightly tongue in cheek but if its 4 years why not give them 4 years? No mitigating circumstances, no remorse, pleading not guilty. They have no defence to taken into account that warrants a reduction in the tariff.
As for the sentences for serious violent offenders and those commiting sexual offences well they are just too lenient. They can't be rehabilitated and they pose a serious risk to the public. At least for the serious sexual crimes they should never get out...
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Because there's more serious kinds of criminal damage than cutting a tree down.
The UK already has a much larger prison population than most comparable countries, and our prisons are already a crumbling, overcrowded mess that fail to rehabilitate people in part because of the dreadful state the are in. Part of that results from a continual drive to push up sentence length despite the fact that it doesn't do much good. As for sex offenders, the idea that they're uniquely likely to re-offend and can't be rehabilitated is just not supported by the facts. In reality the majority of sex offenders do not re-offend.
Instead of spending more and more money on less effective methods of punishment, we should try and learn from the countries around the world that get the best results.
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Remove their wood with a chainsaw and see how they like it
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I'm still waiting on a motive too, such as land owner or buildiong firm paid them big $$$$.
At the mo, I think they were two narcissistic idiots, who wanted some infamy once they are pushing up the daisies.
Or maybe it's as simple as someone they dislike liked the tree or maybe they thought they could make something with the wood.
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Hopefully that's not longer than their sentences.
Its National Trust land so cant see how a building firm would benefit.
Its the sort of spiteful mindless vandalism that ****** up teenagers think is funny.
Couple of idiots who at their age should have grown up but obviously didnt.
Whilst I agree prison time is just a waste of money I do assume/hope that they have lost their jobs/business over this.
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