Why aren't vegans eating the food they ask for?

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What I've never understood is why any real vegan would buy food from a non-vegan place that happens to have vegan options.

Like KFC having their vegan burger, surely any vegan would be boycotting KFC entirely?
Depends really if they have family who eat in KFC and its a family outing. When we go out the daughter has to eat in the same place as us. Not always a great selection for her though.
 
Yeah i wouldn't do KFC but what about say a bunch of say teens ,one or two may be trying out a plant diet ,they are not , probably not , going to say to their friend's they are boycotting the place , its good they have a vegan option , people are either overthinking or more likely underthinking this
 
I also don't think you can murder an animal, you can slaughter them because they are not classed as human.

To the victim its the same thing though isnt it, doesnt matter how its described.

Exactly, so it's just a sliding scale of 'hypocrisy' that you're at a slightly different place on to other people.

Other people will be comfortable with animals being used for food, just as you are comfortable with them being used to test medicines if those medicines benefit you.

You're in no position to lecture people the way you do.

Did I say I was comfortable with it? This isnt a hard concept to grasp, everyone is going to value their life over pretty much everyone else, if the drugs were tested on humans, I would have to accept that aswell. We have no vegan drugs options.

But we do have vegan options for food, clothing and entertainment.
 
To the victim its the same thing though isnt it, doesnt matter how its described.



Did I say I was comfortable with it? This isnt a hard concept to grasp, everyone is going to value their life over pretty much everyone else, if the drugs were tested on humans, I would have to accept that aswell. We have no vegan drugs options.

But we do have vegan options for food, clothing and entertainment.
You're comfortable with trying to ram your opinion down are throats though aren't you, it's not a hard concept to grasp that we don't want that. Give us reasoned arguements and take on board what we say( you don't have to agree with it) and maybe you might get a better response.
 
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Yes, but dressed up a bit to avoid your own cognitive dissonance about the fact you're happy to go with that because that falls in the 'too hard to give up' box.
As I have said previously my daughter put aside a tiny portion of her principles when she was pregnant by eating fish and eggs. She didn't make a big thing of it and neither did we, her daughter is being brought up vegan aswell but they accept that she may want to try non vegan foods as she grows up. Again this is no big deal, both children have an intolerance to cows milk so that's never going to be an issue in the future(my son also is, it is a possible connection to childhood asthma).
 
Yes, but dressed up a bit to avoid your own cognitive dissonance about the fact you're happy to go with that because that falls in the 'too hard to give up' box.
Apparently it is you, and I and others that suffer cognitive dissonance. I tried to point out to him that things that fall outside of his box is immediately outcast rather than being acknowledged.

My vegan and vegetarian friends all are happy with people's choices and appreciate the various ethical and societal frameworks like have been discussed many times here's they don't use shock tactics or whataboutisms or disingenuous loaded questions.

He's just out to prove he's right and is an absolutist, there's no reasoning with someone like that.
 
What I would say to the above is if a vegan is doing it for health reasons they may be happy with other people's choices, not if they do it for ethical reasons , I am the latter, hopefully the former is thrown in
 
What I would say to the above is if a vegan is doing it for health reasons they may be happy with other people's choices, not if they do it for ethical reasons , I am the latter, hopefully the former is thrown in
My daughter is doing it for ethical reasons and tried to get me and her mum to switch using the same reasons as jono but without trying to force us (to much). She has accepted the fact that we won't go fully vegan or even vegetarian but is happy when we say we haven't eaten meat for a meal.
 
Subsisting in UPF and carbohydrates, how miserable.
After starting a diet this week I'm sick of salad already :(

Look into keto. I'm down 8kg in 5 weeks and haven't been hungry more than 3 times, eaten proper food every meal and zero heartburn and crap which I used to get when I ate filler crap like wheat and high carbs stuff (like moon man subsists on :p).
 
What I would say to the above is if a vegan is doing it for health reasons they may be happy with other people's choices, not if they do it for ethical reasons , I am the latter, hopefully the former is thrown in
Even if they do it for ethical reasons they have the respect of others not to succumb to petty name calling and quasi aggressive character defamation. They accept that the non vegans aren't "enlightened" and just carry on with their virtuous life in private.

Just like I don't want to be preached to by a religious person or a politician etc... I'll listen, I'll acknowledge but I'm entitled to ignore or disagree. Now you can do this pleasantly like I have been doing and Johnno hasn't been, or you can be obtuse and just have one sided rhetoric and to hell with everyone else. Which one do you think will more likely make people engage and listen? :)
 
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Even if they do it for ethical reasons they have the respect of others not to succumb to petty name calling and quasi aggressive character defamation. They accept that the non vegans aren't "enlightened" and just carry on with their virtuous life in private.

Just like I don't want to be preached to by a religious person or a politician etc... I'll listen, I'll acknowledge but I'm entitled to ignore or disagree. Now you can do this pleasantly like I have been doing and Johnno hasn't been, or you can be obtuse and just have one sided rhetoric and to hell with everyone else. Which one do you think will more likely make people engage and listen? :)
Exactly how I see it.
 
This might be the single funniest thing I've read in this forum in, well, frankly ever.

Your complete lack of self-awareness is deliciously amusing.
This is the problem with them, unable to take that extra step away from themselves to see a bigger picture.
 
This is the problem with them, unable to take that extra step away from themselves to see a bigger picture.

It's not "them" though is it, it's just a few, the only vegans I've come across who are this militant are on here.
 
I see a difference between jono's posts and Moon Man's. One person uses aggressive rhetoric, shock tactics and emotive words to get their point of view across and the other a more tempered response(sometimes a bit sarcastic and strange) using less aggressive language, showing us good wholesome vegan food that we can prepare and eat ourselves. Which one would you go along with given a choice?
 
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Well I did buy some vegan fish fingers ( so just fingers :p ) probably not the super healthy choice but had 4 in a wrap with salad and mayo and vinegar, Himalayan pink salt and 3 big jacket spuds
Damn nice tbh but going to focus more on heath on my next shop , walnuts, mixed nuts and some different source of protein, i have chick peas coming out of my ears.
 
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