Yea, too much anger on a Saturday there hoss.
You planning on getting a 9070?
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You planning on getting a 9070?
Care to comment on the actual posts?
Not really. You seem intent on being right and yet weirdly angry that you are right or believe you’re right. Fwiw I don’t think the steam survey is something I’ve ever even bothered looking at, certainly not in any great detail. I personally don’t care which brand has or hasn’t got ‘market share’ according to steam. I care about what I can buy and what price it is.
Which is fine. But interesting you are getting involved in a discussion about market share and the evolving GPU landscape. If AMD want to do more than they have done in previous generations, they need to up their game and increase supply. They had a good start but as this discussion thread has shown, they are now falling behind again.
This is all wasted on you as you supposedly don't care, so I'm not sure why you randomly interjected with, why am I angry. I would suggest instead, maybe you do care about any criticism of AMD.
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I think AMD have always had lower volume to ship in comparison to nvidia. I mean take it from the words of the pro nvidia posters (and your steam survey stats).. if you only have 10% market share they are only making the same 10% as a base guide and will only produce more than usual if they think its selling. They also have CPU's to service which compete with the same node right?
Wowser.
No, I'm not bothered about who's gaining or losing market share, never have. I buy what is available at a decent price for what I want.
My comment regarding the steam survey was because I've had three cards in that time frame (Vega 56, 3080 then 9070Xt) so it's not capturing all data.
Enjoy shouting at clouds this weekend.
Makes sense if they've only produced cards to maintain a target market share. The problem then is, this becomes weaker generation (sales wise) than it should have been. The 9070 XT at even just £600 should have stolen way more sales from the 5070 Ti (even at MSRP) and convinced 5070 buyers (at MSRP) to spend a bit more.
AMD showed so much promise with RDNA1. This was supposed to be a Ryzen like challenge to Nvidia. But they failed to provide volume for the very good 6800 cards to gamers until it was too late, and the 7900 cards were priced too high.
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RDNA1 had poor volume. I tried getting a 6800 from launch. Other gens have not been looked at favourably by the tuber/influencers so there appeal until this year has barely tempted the normies let alone enthusiasts. They will know how many global units are needed to service the status quo before RNDA4 landed. Lets be realistic they do not prioritise their dGPU arm and its fairy-tale to think in one generation they will suddenly have double the volume available while they are digesting what is currently selling this year.
No it's not capturing every single person. It doesn't have to. It's getting millions of data points. So it might not be accurate down to the very last percentage, but it won't far off what's actually out there.
And throughout the years it has lined up roughly with the JPR market research data.
If the Steam Survey and the JPR data is wildly different, then there can be a discussion about how accurate the Steam Survey is. Until then, there is really no argument against it's results.
i'm honestly not involved other than a passing comment or 2
i don't disagree.
because you posted calling the thread an echo chamber, when it's been anything but. that seemed to indicate a certain anger or upset with the thread. you then claimed to 'need to be right' - it's been my experience that people who need to proclaim they need to be right are often upset or angry about some sort of perceived slight. if that's not the case for you, then my apologies, but it does come across that way.
honestly, rip away into amd or nv, i genuinely don't care who services (oh er missus
) my gpu needs. it's far too nice a day to be getting into silly gpu wars - i'm away out to boot the kids off the trampoline so i can have a go and then get the bbq cleaned and ready to have a go at smash burgers.
the steam survey is localized on each one so that could be the data from say a region in china this time round its never a full representation of the area you are living in or even the whole world
one of the youtube channels was going on about this a few weeks back
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That makes more sense then rather than the claimed global survey. Looks like I misinterpreted it.
Anyway, back to gaming.
It's not true, it is a global survey. Unfortunately a lot of misinformation. It would be a useless survey if localised. We should ask ourselves if the people working at Steam (a leading company in the industry) are that stupid, or maybe some youtuber is wrong. There are small fluctuations by language when new games are released as they appeal to different people. This month that would most likely be Elder Scrolls Oblivion Remastered.
Don't always believe things that fail a simple common sense check. Why would a survey be localised? The point of this survey is to help game developers understand what type of people are playing their games and their hardware.
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I think you will feel much better with some sun on your face and some fresh air. O by the way this is the rumour thread by the way. Enjoy your day.It's not true, it is a global survey. Unfortunately a lot of misinformation. It would be a useless survey if localised. We should ask ourselves if the people working at Steam (a leading company in the industry) are that stupid, or maybe some youtuber is wrong. There are small fluctuations by language when new games are released as they appeal to different people. This month that would most likely be Elder Scrolls Oblivion Remastered.
Don't always believe things that fail a simple common sense check. Why would a survey be localised? The point of this survey is to help game developers understand what type of people are playing their games and their hardware.
Wow, so someone posts something that is patently wrong and I get attacked for correcting it.
What is wrong with this thread. Why do we want to discredit this data so bad?
I'm not posting rumours but hard data which is allowed. I'm not saying some random youtuber said X.
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Just because AMD have sold more cards compared to their previous releases doesn't mean they've sold more than Nvidia. There will always be the blind leading the blind buying Nvidia even when it's a worse product.
Also as already said I wouldn't class the Steam survey as a great depiction of market share. I'm sure internet cafes and places like that will help skew the results and a 70 class card it likely to be a popular choice in those types of places
Also as already said I wouldn't class the Steam survey as a great depiction of market share. I'm sure internet cafes and places like that will help skew the results and a 70 class card it likely to be a popular choice in those types of places
Internet cafes can indeed have an effect. I don't think they have 5070 or 9070 cards in large numbers though already in their systems. So keep in mind in the context of what is being discussed, it won't affect the comparison.
Often what you see is cards like the 3060 spike a bit when a new game comes out and internet cafe's become more popular in Asia. Because what happens is a machine can then be surveyed more than once.
I also agree that the 9070 hasn't outsold 5070 cards by a pretty large ratio (smaller ratio than before most likely?). However, that is a contrarian view.
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Most graphics cards are sold in pre built systems not DIY purchases. AMD always made less cards than Nvidia,so it doesn't matter how good they are as they need to also make CPUs.I said I would post this once it came out since people ridiculed me here.
9070 not on the list yet. 0.18% share required to be on the all cards list.
But that has no bearing on enthusiasts on tech forums making excuses for cards like that RTX5070 which are frankly poorly specified for the price. Its like saying the Fiesta is a better than a Bugatti because it sold more. This is what happens when people enter echo chambers and are obsessed about branding than calling out poor products.
This is an enthusiast forum where we judge products on their merit not other metrics.
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No one’s attacking you dude. And no one is trying to discredit this ‘data’ - I think it’s just that other than yourself, no one seems to care.