*** Microsoft Windows 11 Thoughts & Discussion Thread ***

[Buffalo2102]

Bottles is great too.

So many options for gaming on Linux these days.

 

[Rroff]

This has annoyed me a bit - KB5058411 is marked as "mandatory", but I removed it yesterday due to troubleshooting but probably eliminated it from being the issue and was going to reapply it anyhow - but now Windows has quietly reinstalled it pending restart... I really hope there is a special place in hell for Windows developers.

 

[FredFlint]

This has annoyed me a bit - KB5058411 is marked as "mandatory", but I removed it yesterday due to troubleshooting but probably eliminated it from being the issue and was going to reapply it anyhow - but now Windows has quietly reinstalled it pending restart... I really hope there is a special place in hell for Windows developers.

I don't blame the dev's, its the decisions makers. I would not be suppressed if Windows market share drops a big chunk as people get sick of all the BS. Switching to Linux for most would be mostly painless and save a big chunk of cash and be less hassle, they just don't know how or think its too hard. This is what MS is relying on to keep pushing all the BS.

 

[Rroff]

I don't blame the dev's, its the decisions makers. I would not be suppressed if Windows market share drops a big chunk as people get sick of all the BS. Switching to Linux for most would be mostly painless and same a big chunk of cash and be less hassle, they just don't know how or think its too hard. This is what MS is relying on to keep pushing all the BS.

I'm lumping everyone involved in when I say devs as I don't know the setup and who is making the decisions.

 

[FredFlint]

I'm lumping everyone involved in when I say devs as I don't know the setup and who is making the decisions.

In my experience as a dev (not at MS), the decisions makers say "I want this", Dev says "It would be better like this: here are the reasons why", the decisions makers say, "just do what you are told". Down the line when it becomes painfully clear how bad it is, the decisions makers blame the dev.

 

[Murphy]

In my experience as a dev (not at MS), the decisions makers say "I want this", Dev says "It would be better like this: here are the reasons why", the decisions makers say, "just do what you are told". Down the line when it becomes painfully clear how bad it is, the decisions makers blame the dev.

So what you're saying is that it's the devs fault, more specifically you're to blame for every bit of bad software in the entire world.

(In case it's not clear I'm joking.)

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Introducing a unified future for app updates on Windows - Windows IT Pro Blog

Developers of apps and management tools handling updates can join the Windows Update orchestration platform preview.

techcommunity.microsoft.com

Microsoft Looks to Centralize All Windows App Updates in One Place

Microsoft wants to phase out fragmented, individual updates for third-party apps across its OS and launch a central platform within Windows Update, similar to Android or macOS.

uk.pcmag.com

Microsoft Unveils Unified Windows Update Platform

In a significant move toward streamlining application updates, Microsoft has unveiled a preview of its Windows Update orchestration platform, a system designed to unify how apps are updated across the Windows ecosystem.

www.webpronews.com

Microsoft’s Windows Update Orchestration Platform: Revolutionizing Third-Party Software Management

Microsoft’s ambitious plans for Windows Update are about to fundamentally change how third-party software is managed within the Windows 11 ecosystem, signaling a move toward a unified, intelligent update infrastructure that could end the fragmented, inconsistent experience users and sysadmins...

windowsforum.com

Exciting announcment. Guess Windows 11 26H2 will have new Windows Update stack to support apps update like Android Play Store and Apple iOS/MacOS App Store, not sure about whether 25H2 will have this feature ready in time.

I found many apps very annoyed when launched apps like Epic Games, Steam interrupted downloaded latest version or VLC, DYMO, PowerDVD etc popped dialog to informed me latest version is available to download from website but did have function to download and update app. It will be really fantastic to have new Windows Update stack with automatic apps update or notifications of new apps update I can click it to download and install rather than go to app website to download latest version and install it.

 

[Armageus]

Sounds great in theory but this is Microsoft so the question is what will be taken away.
Likely the ability to stay on old versions of software.

Not to mention that they regularly can't make Windows update work for the thing it was named for i.e. updates of windows, let alone adding in other stuff.

 

[Nevakonaza]

Going to need to buy a new copy of windows with a system re-build.
Anyone using 11 enterprise ltsc?

I usually go with Pro but thinking of enterprise ltsc comes with less crap then might go for that?
Unless it causes issues with games etc missing vital stuff that was removed?

 

[Armageus]

Going to need to buy a new copy of windows with a system re-build.
Anyone using 11 enterprise ltsc?

I usually go with Pro but thinking of enterprise ltsc comes with less crap then might go for that?
Unless it causes issues with games etc missing vital stuff that was removed?

Unless you've got a Volume Licensing Agreement you can't buy it

 

[ED209]

Going to need to buy a new copy of windows with a system re-build.
Anyone using 11 enterprise ltsc?

I usually go with Pro but thinking of enterprise ltsc comes with less crap then might go for that?
Unless it causes issues with games etc missing vital stuff that was removed?

Do you have a spare SSD\NVME\HDD laying around? If unsure you could install it on to a spare drive and test for a bit

Then do a clean install on whatever version that works for you

But LTSC is for businesses and you need 5 + PCs minimum to get a license from Microsoft

 

[darael]

I've been trying to warm to Windows 11 recently by testing it on a virtual machine. The one thing I still can't get past is the fugly Windows Explorer. Maybe I'm just too used to the layout, which hasn't changed much since Windows 7.

I'm still undecided as to whether I should ditched my flaky (if I enter safe mode, I stay stuck in it) installation of Windows 10, or just bite the bullet and install 11. The sticking point for me is that my CPU, an i5 7500, isn't supported by Microsoft.

I'm half tempted to just reinstall Windows 10, stick it out until I upgrade my system and then move to 11 in maybe a year's time.

 

[Armageus]

I've been trying to warm to Windows 11 recently by testing it on a virtual machine. The one thing I still can't get past is the fugly Windows Explorer. Maybe I'm just too used to the layout, which hasn't changed much since Windows 7.

Install Windows 11 and then spend the best $4.99 of your life

StartAllBack to fix all Windows 11 deal-breaking UI issues

StartAllBack restores taskbar, start menu, context menus, explorer, sanity, style and order!

www.startallback.com

(It shouldn't be needed but it makes Windows 11 tolerable)

 

[Trig]

So, I'm back on Windows 10 on my main rig for now, there were a few issues with OneDrive on LTSC that I cba to fix, on my main rig anyways, I am running it on the media server box as there's nothing missing that is relevant to that box.

 

[mrk]

The latest KB5058499 update is available to all Windows 11 users right now if you’ve enabled the “get the latest updates as soon as they’re available” option in Windows Update. Once it’s installed, you can now toggle the ability to stream HDR video option even when HDR is disabled in Windows, allowing you to view HDR content from apps like Netflix or websites like YouTube without having to enable HDR throughout Windows.

Good news.

Windows 11 gets some much-needed HDR improvements

Windows still needs more HDR improvements, though

www.theverge.com

 

[Sumanji]

Install Windows 11 and then spend the best $4.99 of your life

StartAllBack to fix all Windows 11 deal-breaking UI issues

StartAllBack restores taskbar, start menu, context menus, explorer, sanity, style and order!

www.startallback.com

(It shouldn't be needed but it makes Windows 11 tolerable)

+1 for StartAllBack, been using on my Surface Laptop for years. It gets pretty regular and fast updates as well (to combat when MS breaks something it relies on!).

 

[Sumanji]

Unless you've got a Volume Licensing Agreement you can't buy it

How are some folks on here using it then?

"Grey" editions?

 

[Trig]

We have it at work

 

[Rroff]

How are some folks on here using it then?

"Grey" editions?

Likely for a lot of people but some will have access to it through work/education or on legacy MS subscription products like MSDN and TechNet, etc. (which they've mostly closed down now or moved to volume licensing products). I had a legacy MSDN (from an older TechNet) subscription up until 2019 which gave access to Client Preview/Release Candidate, Tablet/Embedded, Home, Professional, Server and Enterprise editions of the Windows OS without requiring volume licensing.

 

[Nevakonaza]

It may not be the install or your machine. Not sure if it's still around, but the earlier Win 11 builds had delay timers on the menus and animations. For example, you click on a menu, and it would literally wait something like 100ms before animating. It's been a a while as I ditched windows, but there were things I changed in the registry and similar to reduce those times to make it feel more responsive.

So glad you told me about this, Its like night/day difference.

Past few fresh install of 11 I've done on various machines its a HUGE improvement in how snappy things are.

To change animation speeds or disable animations in Windows 11, you can adjust settings in Accessibility or the Registry. You can turn off animation effects completely or modify the delay for specific animations like menus.

To adjust animation speeds or turn off animation effects:

1. Open Accessibility settings:
   • Press the Windows key + U or go to Settings > Accessibility.
     
2. Navigate to Visual effects:
   • Click on Visual effects.
     
3. Turn off Animation effects:
   • Toggle the switch for "Animation effects" to turn them off entirely.
     
4. Adjust MenuShowDelay:
   • If you want to fine-tune menu animation speed, you can modify the "MenuShowDelay" key in the Registry.
   • Open the Registry Editor (type regedit in the search bar).
   • Navigate to Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop.
   • Double-click on "MenuShowDelay".
   • Enter a value between 0 and 4000 (in milliseconds) to adjust the menu animation speed. Smaller values mean faster animations.

For anyone wanting to try.