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Don’t need anything - you can switch to any tariff you like. Some will require connecting to the charger itself like Intelligent Octopus if you want to take full advantage of it, but as mine isn’t compatible I’m just on Octopus Go which gives me 5 hours of 7p per kWh each night. The charger is manually set to only operate during the cheap hours of the tariff.

From a three pin plug you can safely draw about 10 amps continuous without creating excessive heat at the plug, but the lower you can set it the better. At 10 amps and 240 volts, you’ll generate 2.4 KW in ideal conditions and thus over the 5 hours you’d get maybe 10kwh into the car, so roughly 30 miles of range for the average EV. This works out at a week to charge a 70 kWh battery…

So yes it CAN work, and you can save yourself a grand on the install if you don’t do that much mileage, but the wall chargers make things much more convenient.

The other option would be to join eon and have the longer hours to charge at 6.7p I suppose? But I am in the process of moving my export to octopus export so wondering can you have octopus export and be on eon for electric?
 
The sticky issue with using granny chargers is if you do a couple of long days in a row, you’ll not get that car charged in time and all the convenience of having your car refuel it’s self on your drive goes out the window.

If that’s never going to be a thing, fine. If it’s a thing for you, get a ‘proper’ charger.
The other option would be to join eon and have the longer hours to charge at 6.7p I suppose? But I am in the process of moving my export to octopus export so wondering can you have octopus export and be on eon for electric?

You’ll not be able to access the best rates unless you have both with the same provider.

If you don’t have export and import with the same provider you’ll get kicked on to SEG at 3p.
 
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The sticky issue with using granny chargers is if you do a couple of long days in a row, you’ll not get that car charged in time and all the convenience of having your car refuel it’s self on your drive goes out the window.

If that’s never going to be a thing, fine. If it’s a thing for you, get a ‘proper’ charger.


You’ll not be able to access the best rates unless you have both with the same provider.

If you don’t have export and import with the same provider you’ll get kicked on to SEG at 3p.

Cheers. Yeah, will most likely get a fast wall charger. But might not be straight away. Just good to understand what the options are.

You guys using octopus or similar? Or getting your electrician to do it for possibly cheaper?

Octopus want £1049 for the Hypervolt Home 3 Pro. The Zappi is £50 cheaper, but everyone seems to recommend the Hypervolt.
 
What apps you guys using for finding charge points? I have electroverse and also seen one called zapmap.

They any good? Any better ones?
 
Cheers. Yeah, will most likely get a fast wall charger. But might not be straight away. Just good to understand what the options are.

You guys using octopus or similar? Or getting your electrician to do it for possibly cheaper?

Octopus want £1049 for the Hypervolt Home 3 Pro. The Zappi is £50 cheaper, but everyone seems to recommend the Hypervolt.
Anyone can fit it but it’s unlikely you’ll get it materially cheaper u less you fit a very basic charger that wouldn’t work with Octopus Intelligent anyway.

Zappi is also fine but looks like a toilet seat. It actually has more features than the Hypervolt.
 
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Steam Deck is 45w, not many devices are 60-65w that aren't reasonable laptops with largish screens. Good to see proper spec'd USB-C PD on modern cars though, would be nice if more had the 230v 3-pin sockets in the boot/rear as standard as well.

Oops, that means if the steam deck is 45w, then the I-Pace isn’t :)

All I know is in the I-Pace and our C40 the USB-C ports cannot charge a steam deck or a switch. This upsets my 12 year old son immensely on longer trips. I have to use a 12v USB-C 65W converter.
 
I ordered the Ohme Pro as it’s what Octopus recommended as it’s compatible with the intelligent go tariff. Hoping it’s a decent option it gets good reviews..
 
I get free standard and Ohme pro install with my next Cupra so may aswell get it fitted and use agile when it’s cheap.

Prob need a 7.5m cable though
 
I ordered the Ohme Pro as it’s what Octopus recommended as it’s compatible with the intelligent go tariff. Hoping it’s a decent option it gets good reviews..

I've just had that installed and it seems fine - I don't have the car yet, but it connects seamlessly with the app and looks pretty simple. All very straight forward.

I get free standard and Ohme pro install with my next Cupra so may aswell get it fitted and use agile when it’s cheap.

Prob need a 7.5m cable though

Ah yes - definitely check that. I didn't and will now be having to reverse the car into the drive forever more.
 
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I've had an Ohme Pro for about 2 years now, had the odd issue but that was mostly due to a faulty RCD when it was installed. It's pretty simple to use but doesn't give loads of stats some others do, but it displays the important stuff. Being able to connect your car BMS to it is useful as you can fine tune the charge level, if not you can kinda of guess by asking it to add x% to your battery. I got the 7.5m cable only issue is that it's to big for the cable holder IMO, but was needed to increase the options for vehicles charge port locations.
 
Just been told by our GM that i can charge my car at work. Nice

Not even going to bother with an EV tariff for now, as i'm on a fixed deal that is decently cheaper than the regular kwh rates on the EV tariffs. Shouldn’t need to charge the car at home, unless for an emergency/im on holiday and need to use it a lot.

Ill revisit it when our current fixed deal ends or I move jobs.
 
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Just been told by our GM that i can charge my car at work. Nice

Not even going to bother with an EV tariff for now, as i'm on a fixed deal that is decently cheaper than the regular kwh rates on the EV tariffs. Shouldn’t need to charge the car at home, unless for an emergency/im on holiday and need to use it a lot.

Ill revisit it when our current fixed deal ends or I move jobs.
that's a fantastic perk!
 
that's a fantastic perk!

Yeh, free fuel for commuting should help repay the cost of the car decently (over keeping my previous ageing petrol car).

Although as it isnt a massively long commute (only 28 miles round trip) and i would have been on an ev tariff otherwise, it is only saving me ~ £250 odd a year i think. Still, better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick!

Means I can enjoy the immense power of the car more without counting the pennies (as it is thirsty on the juice with a heavy right foot) :p
 
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These are probably the best for the UK

I'd get the Tesla app too - have to use it to use Tesla chargers

You can use tesla chargers also? I am guessing more expensive for non tesla owners?

I have a look and see so many silly prices. 60p per kwh :cry:

I will probably only need to use it a few times a year though and can plan and use some that I have seen for about 30p which is more palletable.
 
You can use tesla chargers also? I am guessing more expensive for non tesla owners?

I have a look and see so many silly prices. 60p per kwh :cry:

I will probably only need to use it a few times a year though and can plan and use some that I have seen for about 30p which is more palletable.

You can use about half of them, the ones in the app you can see are the ones you can use.

They are cheaper than nearly all other chargers without a subscription, significantly cheaper in many cases.

With a subscription you get the same price as a Tesla owner but you can’t access the Tesla only chargers.

They operate time of use pricing so it’s cheaper outside of evening peaks. They also operate idle fees so don’t hang around once charging stops.
 
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Which almost certainly means HMRC will be cracking down on it soon. I think already the definition is for charging a vehicle that is primarily used for business purposes or words to that effect which allow enough scope for ambiguity.

Commuting is a business purpose? :confused:

If commuting to and from your place of work is a business purpose and treated as such, then i guess i should be getting paid for my commuting time and be able to get business leases/tax breaks on the purchase of it etc?

They can't have it both ways.
 
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The benefit in reality is pretty trivial, and actually measuring the benefit, and taxing you as an individual is incredibly burdensome. Lots of chargers are in-metered e.g. people plugging into 3 pins or commando sockets.

Usually where you get benefits like this the employer enters into a pay as you earn settlement agreement with HMRC and they pay any tax and NI due on benefits which are hard to measure and attribute to a single employee.

I can’t see it being enforceable in practice so the rules reflect that and the amount of tax due is pennies in reality. So yeh, I can’t see this changing any time soon.
 
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