Gen5 nvme over gen4

Zeebedy

Zeebedy

Zeebedy

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New parts coming tomorrow, thinking of ordering a 1tb gen5 nvme drive (14000 / 13000) to replace my gen4 drive (5000 / 3000) boot drive..

Will this be a noticeable improvement for a windows drive?
 
is getting an nvme with a heatsink the best idea?? for a gaming drive, is it 100% necessary or would the standard nvme be sufficient?
 
Gen5 run hot, Gen4 not as much. With decent case airflow and no obstructions you should be ok, worst case scenario you can always buy an NVME heatsink searately and stick it on your drive if you're finding it gets hot.
 
I have both PCIE4 & 5. The only real noticeable differences are:

Large file transfers - when I first got the 5 drive I was amazed how quick it is to copy large files/folders
Installing games is much quicker
Unzipping large files is quicker
Boot time is slightly faster (think it's about 1 or 2 seconds or so)

There are probably a lot of other differences and things that go on behind the scenes like direct storage and quicker load screens etc, but the above 4 items are the only things I've actually noticed an appreciable difference in real time. Most people would say these differences are not worth the extra cost, but I got my PCIE5 drive very cheap on sale so it cost me no more than a PCIE4 would have at the time.
 
Varys said:
I have both PCIE4 & 5. The only real noticeable differences are:

Large file transfers - when I first got the 5 drive I was amazed how quick it is to copy large files/folders
Installing games is much quicker
Unzipping large files is quicker
Boot time is slightly faster (think it's about 1 or 2 seconds or so)

There are probably a lot of other differences and things that go on behind the scenes like direct storage and quicker load screens etc, but the above 4 items are the only things I've actually noticed an appreciable difference in real time. Most people would say these differences are not worth the extra cost, but I got my PCIE5 drive very cheap on sale so it cost me no more than a PCIE4 would have at the time.
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usually when games install I do somethiing else, it's not like I'm holding a stop watch.

Games being 100GB..once it gets to that point just do something else whilst it's installing.
 
Zeebedy said:
is getting an nvme with a heatsink the best idea?? for a gaming drive, is it 100% necessary or would the standard nvme be sufficient?
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Not necessary for PCIE4.

PCIE5: depends on the drive (some drives run very hot), but generally not needed for gaming, no.
 
Varys said:
Most people would say these differences are not worth the extra cost, but I got my PCIE5 drive very cheap on sale so it cost me no more than a PCIE4 would have at the time.
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that's the main thing isn't it, the price differential was so small. would you have bought your pcie5 drive if it was at "normal" cost vs a pcie4 drive?
 
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Tetras said:
No. You won't notice the difference between a good gen 4 and a gen 5 drive.
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Or a gen 3 over gen 4 for that matter.

Games being massive is not a valid argument, nobody has an internet line that's multiple GB/sec in their home, and preloading games onto the fastest SSD is meiangless as the CPU does all the decrypting which takes an ice age as Steam for example uses just a single core (seemingly) to do that process so all that SSD speed is doing nothing.

No games leverage these sorts of speeds whilst playing or loading either, look at the newest games that have just come out, none of them utilise the bandwidth yet all of them are super fast to load, Doom Dark Ages is so fast that loading screens don't even need to exist, likewise other games. They're just making use of the bandwidth that SSDs have had for years, finally. and that's all that's needed for instant game load times.

If the price diff is small then no brainer to go for the faster drive, but I think there's an expectation among people that games will suddenly install faster and load faster, they will not.
 
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tamzzy said:
that's the main thing isn't it, the price differential was so small. would you have bought your pcie5 drive if it was at "normal" cost vs a pcie4 drive?
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My god I didn't realise how much they had gone up in price (just looked). No I wouldn't pay such a price difference
 
Price differential is quite large normally Good Gen 4 is 7000/6000+ T705 4TB is about £376 SN850x 4TB £245

Or more to OP case T705 1TB £125 SN850x 1TB £78
 
Yeah I don't think the price difference is worth it.
as for heatsink/not, if your motherboard has built in heatsinks I'd go with not... for Gen 3/4 then probbaly not even running naked
 
Varys said:
and quicker load screens etc
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When it comes to game load times and OS boot times as well the difference generally comes down to the controller and cache implementation - probably on average the PCI-e 5 NVMEs will have a better controller in this respect than previous gens but you can get some PCI-e 4 ones which are just as good or better than some PCI-e 5 ones. Generally the difference is in the region of 10% or less though.
 
The only noticeable difference is higher temps on gen 5. Unless you routine move around very large amounts of data (10s or dozens of GB) very quickly, there's no noticeable difference to the end user.

Even gen4 NVMe... I barely notice any difference coming from SATA SSDs myself.
 
Got gifted a t700 from a friend. Normally I run t500 for OS & Apps, and another t500 for games.

The OS drive is in M2_1 which is a Gen5 slot connected to CPU and has a chunky heatsink. The M2_1 heatsink has my NH-D15 G2 cooler overhanging it but can still be unclipped without removing CPU cooler.
The games drive is in M2_4 which is a Gen4 slot connected to chipset and has a thinner heatsink plate.

Wondering if I used this t700 would I get more benefit for using is as OS drive or Games drive ? Or I could just leave things be, seeing as Gen5 means more heat where ever I put it and little advantage as I just use my PC for general stuff and gaming.

However, ff using as game drive, would stick it in M2_1 and move t500 OS drive to M2_4. Wondering if OS would run slower in a slot connected to chipset ?
If using as OS drive would just replace t500 in M2_1 and do a bare metal restore using Veeam onto t700.


What do you think ?
 
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