Plane Spotters / Flight Radar Thread

squerble said:
It's a stall, and looking at the wings it looks like there's barely any flaps deployed, just the slats. That's not normal for a plane loaded with enough fuel to get to London from India.
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Flaps 1+F is generally used for takeoff I think.
Looks like complete engine loss. Horrific :(
 
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CaptainRAVE said:
Engine failure?
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Once you’re in the air it’s not long before you get enough speed to maintain flight on one engine, assuming a correctly configured aircraft. This allows for engine bird strikes at any point past V1, for example, when you’re commited to takeoff.

I would expect the systems to alert the crew if it wasn’t in the correct setup - that sort of config warning has been around a long time.
 
beachBOYken said:
Flaps 1+F is generally used for takeoff I think.
Looks like complete engine loss. Horrific :(
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Nah, not at this fuel load. Flaps 15 more common for takeoff.

Penfold101 said:
Once you’re in the air it’s not long before you get enough speed to maintain flight on one engine, assuming a correctly configured aircraft. This allows for engine bird strikes at any point past V1, for example, when you’re commited to takeoff.

I would expect the systems to alert the crew if it wasn’t in the correct setup - that sort of config warning has been around a long time.
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They have some flaps set as it looks like the slats are out. As the 787 can do a Flaps 1 takeoff, there'd be no config warning because it's an acceptable config (even if wrong for the weight).
 
squerble said:
Nah, not at this fuel load. Flaps 15 more common for takeoff.


They have some flaps set as it looks like the slats are out. As the 787 can do a Flaps 1 takeoff, there'd be no config warning because it's an acceptable config (even if wrong for the weight).
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Thinking about it, I wouldn’t expect them to have gotten off the runway at all if it was the wrong flaps setting - if they got airborne in the first place with them in the wrong place, there’s no reason they couldn’t just continue as airspeed increased, assuming proper engine performance.
 
Terrible year for aviation.

It’s quite amazing now that we get videos from the scene almost immediately with everyone having a phone.

Building looks toast, surprised there’s anything left of the plane, albeit not much.
 
Actually I doubt it was complete engine loss as it looks like the pilot raises the nose of the aircraft to try and gain height.
Maybe not enough airspeed, overweight?
 
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beachBOYken said:
Actually I doubt it was complete engine loss as it looks like the pilot raises the nose of the aircraft to try and gain height. Doubt you would attempt that without engine power.
Maybe not enough airspeed, overweight?
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Human nature if you think you’re going to crash - stall alarms going off and you’re right next to the ground, the last thing you’re going to do is push the nose down, you’d be hauling the yoke so hard toward yourself you’d snap it off.
 
Multiple birdstrikes perhaps? Aircraft goes through a flock of birds and both engines and either flameout or lose enough thrust to cause this. ADS-B data seems to abruptly stop as well, which happened with the Jeju Air crash, which was caused by the sudden loss of electrical power generated by both engines when they were destroyed by bird strikes.
 
The Funktopus said:
Multiple birdstrikes perhaps? Aircraft goes through a flock of birds and both engines and either flameout or lose enough thrust to cause this. ADS-B data seems to abruptly stop as well, which happened with the Jeju Air crash, which was caused by the sudden loss of electrical power generated by both engines when they were destroyed by bird strikes.
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The difference there was that there was no battery backup in the original design on the FDR. I don’t believe the 787 would suffer the same design flaw, it’s just that the transmitter probably doesn’t have a DC backup. I would expect the full information to be available on the recorder.
 
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Multiple birdstrikes perhaps? Aircraft goes through a flock of birds and both engines and either flameout or lose enough thrust to cause this. ADS-B data seems to abruptly stop as well, which happened with the Jeju Air crash, which was caused by the sudden loss of electrical power generated by both engines when they were destroyed by bird strikes.
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Watching and listening to the crash video, it sounds like you can hear the RAT as it flies overhead, and you can just make out a few pixels of it deployed in the video.

If that's happened, then yes it's loss of electrical power in a catastrophic way. Could well be dual engine failure (mechnical, electric, or bird ingestion) leading to the stall. Grim :(
 
Could have been a whole host of things….dual engine failure , engine failure and forgot to retract gear or they got gear up and flaps up mixed up. Terrible. Imagine waking up to this if it’s your loved one.
 
Hate being me LOL - when I load up FR24 I immediately know the positions of the Poseidons, often even when over land, due to their position in respect to normal air traffic routes and their heading indicating likely previous and intended route.
 
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