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I was once stopped by the police and he commended me for my lane use and indicating. Then he told me I was speeding and gave me a ticket.
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I was once stopped by the police and he commended me for my lane use and indicating. Then he told me I was speeding and gave me a ticket.
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Iirc you can be pulled for going too slow, although not sure if it's only on motorways, and not sure what speed it is. Id assume 30ish, being certain vehicles aren't allowed on motorways due to being slow.
Speeding round a mini roundabout takes some skill surely.
It can be an offence to drive too slow and falls under careless driving. See Police.uk.
- unnecessarily slow driving or braking
And if the person only had to slam on their brakes because they were speeding, and there wouldn't have been an issue if they had been driving at the limit? Who's the one being inconsiderate in that situation? What makes one person's "right" to ignore the rules of the road any more important than someone else's?
My argument has been about driving in a manner that makes the roads work better for everyone that includes speed in the appropriate situation. But I don't believe that people not strictly adhering to the speed limit or having a loose interpretation to some rules is an enabler for inconsiderate or dangerous driving in general or that if everyone strictly adhered to the speed limit it would have an impact on people driving inconsiderately.
When there is a gun to their head so to speak it is amazing how most people know exactly how to drive in a reasonable manner.
I had similar when they pulled me for speeding, your riding was good just a bit too fast
very expensive complement in the end 
Yes absolutely it is and it falls under careless and or inconsiderate driving and even then (as you correctly clarify) it would need to be excessive, such as 30mph on a busy but free flowing motorway. While speeding on the other hand falls under the much more serious category of “dangerous driving”.
This is the crux of my (and others point) that it absolutely is not reasonable to conclude that (as asserted by Rorff), “speed cannot be taken in isolation”. Because by actual UK laws, driving 20mph below the limit is legal, but driving 20mph over the limit is not.
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No, it's not an argument, as trying that fails miserably.
You have a point of view that is simply unfeasible to be used by all, as different people use different cars, in different places with different skill levels. You just don't want to admit that what you're asking for is unviable to be applied to all.
Please, also go read work by Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
All I'm expecting is for people to drive considerately - strangely enough as I said above most people seem able to do it when forced to!
Not sure what the cheap shot is with the Dietrich Bonhoeffer comment but says more about you I think than myself.
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My point was in terms of being inconsiderate and/or dangerous speed can not be taken in isolation - I'm not sure what is so hard to comprehend - if I'm doing say 40-50 in an NSL at the dead of night in conditions where 60 would be fine with no one around that is an entirely different context to if I'm doing 40-50 still in an NSL when someone comes up behind me who clearly wants to drive to the speed limit or at a busy time of day. Vice-versa someone doing 90MPH on a wide open motorway at the dead of night is presenting a considerable less problem than someone who is stubbornly driving with their head up their behind at 40 on a decent bit of 60 during a busy time of day, and different again to someone who is doing 90 in heavy rain and reduced visibility.
I'm starting to think some of you are trying to justify their own inconsiderate driving and driving significantly below a speed suited to the limit and conditions rather than any real point with a bit of hand waving of "well other people speed so why can't I drive like I want".
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You're expecting people to drive depending your own definition of 'considerately', without the slightest consideration on your part of how they want to drive. Openly admitting to being 'proper raging' over such things shows a severe lack of self awareness.
Pretty sure that context of 'unnecessarily slow' is very different from what's being discussed here.
Yes to an extent my own definition but things like not tailgating people, not pulling out of junctions expecting someone else to accommodate them by braking hard or change lane, etc. are not exactly subjective. Most of what I'm talking about it basic driving etiquette in accordance with the highway code where there is a material impact on someone else.
As I've posted many times in this thread I'm generally a fairly pragmatic driver - and don't normally get that worked up but also as I said I was just venting to myself in that instance it had no effect on anyone else or my approach to that driver. Now I don't know the circumstances of why that person was doing ~18MPH in a 30, 40 in a 60, etc. and generally reacting poorly to other drivers/anticipating hazards late but in this case I don't believe that was something like an EML, having to put a space saver spare on in an emergency or other unavoidable issue and if a skill issue then they really shouldn't be on the road.
Which part of the Highway Code are you referring to? As for claiming 'material impact', that's an absolute joke.
All of it - I really don't think it is hard to understand how to apply the highway code in such a way as to make the roads work better for everyone.
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when i passed my driving test back in the day i had 2 minor faults and one of those was driving too slow for the conditions, and too be clear i wasnt doing 30 on a national speedlimit it would have been around 50. it was a while back so i may be wrong but 2 minors (or was it 3?) in the same category would have been a fail
So whilst you may be correct from a gonna be prosecuted kind of way, driving below the speed limit when there is no reason to is definitely considered poor or inconsiderate driving (otherwise why give a minor fault for it)
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Nope, the entire premise came up due to your claims that it is perfectly reasonable to speed in “some cases”. It was countered that this is like claiming it is OK to cut people up, or drive out of a junction without due care “in some cases”.
The Highway Code never mentions material impact, that’s a you thing and brings up the question of who defines the material impact rules. Is it Rorff because he didn’t like being held up an extra 30 seconds? Or is it the driver who was forced to speed up because Rorff had somewhere to be in a hurry?
The Highway Code never mentions material impact, that’s a you thing and brings up the question of who defines the material impact rules. Is it Rorff because he didn’t like being held up an extra 30 seconds? Or is it the driver who was forced to speed up because Rorff had somewhere to be in a hurry?
* except the bits about sticking to the speed limit
You beat me to it. Though obviously as long as you speed considerately that’s fine*. You know like when it looks clear to pull out of a side street but some muppet comes obviously speeding round a blind corner at 40 mph, slams the brakes on and leans on the horn and acts like you are at fault. But hey, at least they weren’t holding other drivers up.
Can you cut someone up considerately? Like when someone cuts you up and you call them out and they shout back “I was indicating” as if that makes it OK.
* Always remember that speeding is not an offence and it is totally up to individual drivers to determine what they feel is a suitable speed based on their own overblown sense of entitlement and competence**
** This was sarcasm.
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